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Let's see your weight loss

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by TeeKay, Sep 10, 2010.

  1. willpower

    willpower Senior member

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    Well, OK. But it was never even about willpower in the first place.

    Hey!
     
  2. Rambo

    Rambo Senior member

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    A lack of willpower is not what's causing individuals to be unable to lose weight, nor is it what's causing Americans to suffer from obesity. Granted, some people will have more difficulty with losing weight than others. But this does not imply that it is a lack of willpower that is the determining factor.
    Listen sparky, you don't know shit from shinola when it comes to actual weight loss. I've lost more weight than you have on your body, or probably ever will have. On paper, you might be a quite educated when it comes to breaking it all down. In the real world, when you're standing in front of an open fridge and you can't bring yourself to close it because that last bit of leftovers is staring you in the face, and you realize that you've been standing there for 5 minutes despite your desire to close the door, then you'll know how important willpower is. IT IS PARAMOUNT. This cannot be understated. Without the willpower to keep from eating, any plan, no matter how well thought out and constructed, will go to complete shit. Period.
     
  3. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    You know very little about much of anything.
    FTFY
    He doesn't even have this. It's much closer to a wikipedia eduction + a few conveniently interpreted journals. Even if he has looked further in to what he talks about, he misunderstands much of it.
     
  4. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    Listen sparky, you don't know shit from shinola when it comes to actual weight loss. I've lost more weight than you have on your body, or probably ever will have. On paper, you might be a quite educated when it comes to breaking it all down. In the real world, when you're standing in front of an open fridge and you can't bring yourself to close it because that last bit of leftovers is staring you in the face, and you realize that you've been standing there for 5 minutes despite your desire to close the door, then you'll know how important willpower is. IT IS PARAMOUNT. This cannot be understated. Without the willpower to keep from eating, any plan, no matter how well thought out and constructed, will go to complete shit. Period.

    I understand what you are saying--completely. What I am saying is that a lack of willpower isn't what's causing someone to be unable to resist raiding the refrigerator at night. It is not because they don't possess self control, or that they are a glutton and a sloth, but rather because of certain biological (and to a degree, behavioral) factors that drives one to over-consume, and to crave specific foods that are uniquely fattening and inhibitory of any desired weight-loss effect.
     
  5. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    FTFY



    He doesn't even have this. It's much closer to a wikipedia eduction + a few conveniently interpreted journals. Even if he has looked further in to what he talks about, he misunderstands much of it.


    You really need to remove the stick out of your ass.
     
  6. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    Whoops double post
     
  7. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    Er oh Er

    Read the above statement again.

    Lol

    I dig being self taught. It's some good fucking bull. You should just have some idea of what you're talking about when you speak about it. Your local library has books on OChem and BioChem I bet. Otherwise there's Khan Academy (free online) which will cover OChem and intro to Bio and then you can examine things like metabolic pathways, genetics, etc.
     
  8. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    Er oh Er

    Read the above statement again.

    Lol



    I dig being self taught. It's some good fucking bull. You should just have some idea of what you're talking about when you speak about it. Your local library has books on OChem and BioChem I bet. Otherwise there's Khan Academy (free online) which will cover OChem and intro to Bio and then you can examine things like metabolic pathways, genetics, etc.


    Feel free to counter my arguments at any time.
     
  9. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    I understand what you are saying--completely. What I am saying is that a lack of willpower isn't what's causing someone to be unable to resist raiding the refrigerator at night. It is not because they don't possess self control, or that they are a glutton and a sloth, but rather because of certain biological (and to a degree, behavioral) factors that drives one to over-consume, and to crave specific foods that are uniquely fattening and inhibitory of any desired weight-loss effect.

    isnt this what people call lack of willpower?

    your body might be asking you for food, but it's called will power when you say no.
     
  10. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    isnt this what people call lack of willpower?

    Willpower mustn't be confused with behavioral disorders or addictions. The lack of will is not the cause of these manifestations, but merely a symptom. It is not what's driving one to abuse food, or to be unable to stick to a diet. In this case, the problem lies much deeper.

    That's called starvation.
     
  11. Eason

    Eason Senior member

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    You're splitting hairs to avoid being wrong. Stop it.
     
  12. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    You're splitting hairs to avoid being wrong. Stop it.
    I don't believe I was splitting any hairs. Then again, I could be wrong. I just am pretty sure that I'm not.
     
  13. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    I don't believe I was splitting any hairs. Then again, I could be wrong. I just am pretty sure that I'm not.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    What is your problem with that statement? You've quoted it twice now without once actually articulating your thoughts on it.
     
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    It's not an issue of behavior, it's just an issue of behavior. I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Not sure though.
     
  16. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    It's not an issue of behavior, it's just an issue of behavior. I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Not sure though.
    OK. My point, as clearly as I can make it, is this: Lack of willpower does not drive behavioral disorders; behavioral disorders can, by way of frustration and continuous suffering to the individual, promote a feeling of lost will (what Rambo was describing). Any lack of will isn't what causes one to over eat, fail at their diet, etc., but is merely a symptom of the underlying behavioral disorder, which is causing this. The roots of this behavior lie much deeper than a mere lack of free will--or some might say "free won't". One is cause, the other is an effect.
     
  17. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    OK. My point, as clearly as I can make it, is this:

    Lack of willpower does not drive behavioral disorders; behavioral disorders can, by way of frustration and continuous suffering to the individual, promote a feeling of lost will (what Rambo was describing). Any lack of will isn't what causes one to over eat, fail at their diet, etc., but is merely a symptom of the underlying behavioral disorder, which is causing this. The roots of this behavior lie much deeper than a mere lack of free will--or some might say "free won't".

    One is cause, the other is an effect.


    You seriously need to learn to gracefully concede a point when you're wrong. One of these days you're going to do this IRL and somebody who's as big of a douchebag as I am is going to call you out in front of your peers and future employers and laugh at you. Loudly. It'll probably end up on Tosh.0 so that even the computer illiterate see it.
     
  18. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    You seriously need to learn to gracefully concede a point when you're wrong. One of these days you're going to do this IRL and somebody who's as big of a douchebag as I am is going to call you out in front of your peers and future employers and laugh at you. Loudly. It'll probably end up on Tosh.0 so that even the computer illiterate see it.
    If I am wrong, could you please point out in what way so that I may actually have something to concede to? So far, you haven't done a very good job at doing so.
     
  19. Eason

    Eason Senior member

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    So everyone who is fat has an underlying behavioral disorder, but it's NOT willpower, it's something serious and pervasive requiring professional psychological help instead of going to the gym and eating healthier.
     
  20. mm84321

    mm84321 Senior member

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    So everyone who is fat has an underlying behavioral disorder, but it's NOT willpower, it's something serious and pervasive requiring professional psychological help instead of going to the gym and eating healthier.
    No, not everyone. I am addressing this specifically in response to being questioned the difference between a lack of willpower and a behavioral disorder. What is universal is the misconception that all fat people get, and stay, that way because they lack the willpower to simply do anything about it. Telling an obese person that they ought to exercise more self control is akin to telling someone with osteoporosis to just stop having brittle bones; it does little in way of getting to the root of the problem.
     

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