haha luckily you knocked some sense, i would rather get Phillip II, Strand or William 75 than both of the shoes as they don't appeal much to me in term of look. I just chanced upon https://maisondegand.com/ having some serious mark down on Edward Green and John Lobb... but couldnt get any of the popular model as not available in my size. do share any if you guy bought anything.I find the holt pretty ugly and not very versatile. A black austerity brogue is like oxford number 10 maybe - even then I’d rather have brown, navy or burgundy over black. Neither makes for a good one oxford collection.
Is there a reason it has to be Lobb? I ask because based on your question it doesn’t seem like it’s because they have a perfect last for you or something given you aren’t sure on sizing. I know this is the Lobb thread and I like their stuff - don’t get me wrong it’s great but they’re far from the only game in town or even the best (either overall or at that price point)
It seems like the thing you’re treating as the most important consideration is brand and then price if you’re only focused on Lobb and only what’s on sale currently. Speaking from experience I bought a bunch of stuff that didn’t make sense or was ugly because it was a good brand but way marked down. They collected dust or got sold off.