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ForwardPleats

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My vote would go to the Winchelsea. Also without hesitation. I myself prefer pretty much everything on it from the beautiful dark oak to the Norwegian split toe. But you'll be the one wearing it and it seems as if you're more excited over Pimlico. Just look at the way you described the 2.

Oak is nice. It's more practical..

Man, I love these things. The look is so classic I picture myself going back in time and the color perfectly matches that. . The patina will be mine and mine alone.

So sure..my tastes run to that luscious split toe. I'm picturing myself wearing them right now (damn you)..but you're not me..and you being you are picturing yourself with those Pimlico's. Or at least that's what I'm taking out of it.

You mention versatility but is that an actual concern? If you need a versatile shoe then that changes both the question and the answer. I have shoes I've probably worn twice a year at most. They're not versatile at all..but I still like them and enjoy them when I do wear them. I also have a decent size collection of shoes and have no need to wear them more than twice a year. If I needed to add something to my weekly rotation however, I wouldn't even consider them. All that being said..how concerned are you as to versatility? It's your first order..do you want that special less versatile pair to rock (perhaps) a bit less often? Or something simpler to pair so you can show those puppies off with more ease?
I think if I seem a little less excited about the Winchelsea at the moment, it is because the styling overlaps a little bit more with the black Barksdales I already have (such as the split toe and heel counters, both of which I love).

Versatility is definitely key for me. Edward Green is a serious splurge for and my plan is to build a small capsule collection of the highest quality shoes I can afford and wear them a lot. My original plan was a black pair of Pimlicos and a dark oak pair of Winchelseas, but the espresso Pimlico have got me second guessing my original decision.

I can definitely see myself wearing the Winchelseas more often. I also sometimes worry about the Espresso being too dark. If the Pimlico came in a dark oak aniline, I think it would be game over. 😂
 

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I think if I seem a little less excited about the Winchelsea at the moment, it is because the styling overlaps a little bit more with the black Barksdales I already have (such as the split toe and heel counters, both of which I love).

Versatility is definitely key for me. Edward Green is a serious splurge for and my plan is to build a small capsule collection of the highest quality shoes I can afford and wear them a lot. My original plan was a black pair of Pimlicos and a dark oak pair of Winchelseas, but the espresso Pimlico have got me second guessing my original decision.

I can definitely see myself wearing the Winchelseas more often. I also sometimes worry about the Espresso being too dark. If the Pimlico came in a dark oak aniline, I think it would be game over. 😂
Buy the one you want most. If you don’t you’ll regret it and probably ending up buying it in addition. The Winchelsea is the more costly of the two due the handstitching of the vamp of the shoe.
 

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Country calf Galways feel a bit stiff to me and zug seems like it’s at least one step beyond country calf. But maybe that’s not the best way to think about it.

I was looking at these Galways:

I really like these and have considered them myself. But you're correct, Zug's definitely thicker than CC. The leather is less pliable and therefore more restrictive around ankle area.
 

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Utah Galways on 82…

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Picked up these beauties at an estate sale. Half priced day so only five dollars. Still in great shape.
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Country calf Galways feel a bit stiff to me and zug seems like it’s at least one step beyond country calf. But maybe that’s not the best way to think about it.

I was looking at these Galways:

I have this, very comfortable. Though it’s my only pair of Galway.
 

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I really like these and have considered them myself. But you're correct, Zug's definitely thicker than CC. The leather is less pliable and therefore more restrictive around ankle area.
Zug leather might have a more firm temper but I doubt there’s any significant thickness difference compared to London Grain calf, for example. I recently bought a pair of Willow Zug Dovers on the Ridgeway sole (Gentleman’s Footwear) for traveling. I have other EG shoes including London Grain Dovers. I could be wrong but I think shoemakers like EG split their leathers to a narrow specific thickness range to facilitate the building process.

The Willow Zug Dovers are very slightly more roomy than the same size London Grain Dovers I have. (I did not notice a difference in the pliability of the uppers between them.) The fractional extra room of the Willow Zug Dover allows me to wear a light cushion merino sock I prefer for traveling. They were also comfortable to start with and continue to feel comfortable through a couple days of break-in wear.
By the way the Willow Zugs shown at Gentleman’s Footwear (on sale) are more of a medium brown, not as orangey brown as they appear in the photo. I sure hope EG has enough of the Willow Zug leather left for a 38mm belt!
 

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Zug leather might have a more firm temper but I doubt there’s any significant thickness difference compared to London Grain calf, for example. I recently bought a pair of Willow Zug Dovers on the Ridgeway sole (Gentleman’s Footwear) for traveling. I have other EG shoes including London Grain Dovers. I could be wrong but I think shoemakers like EG split their leathers to a narrow specific thickness range to facilitate the building process.

The Willow Zug Dovers are very slightly more roomy than the same size London Grain Dovers I have. (I did not notice a difference in the pliability of the uppers between them.) The fractional extra room of the Willow Zug Dover allows me to wear a light cushion merino sock I prefer for traveling. They were also comfortable to start with and continue to feel comfortable through a couple days of break-in wear.
By the way the Willow Zugs shown at Gentleman’s Footwear (on sale) are more of a medium brown, not as orangey brown as they appear in the photo. I sure hope EG has enough of the Willow Zug leather left for a 38mm belt!
YMMV as they say. The leather on my Cranleigh certainly feels thicker, heftier and less pliable than CC. However this is also a boot, unlike your Dover, and fully lined unlike my CC Galways. To be clear I feel no discomfort while wearing them, in fact they're among my best fitting boots (along with my whiskey shell Galway on 82). Given the style, I always wear these with boot socks and achieve an excellent snug fit.
 

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Zug leather might have a more firm temper but I doubt there’s any significant thickness difference compared to London Grain calf, for example. I recently bought a pair of Willow Zug Dovers on the Ridgeway sole (Gentleman’s Footwear) for traveling. I have other EG shoes including London Grain Dovers. I could be wrong but I think shoemakers like EG split their leathers to a narrow specific thickness range to facilitate the building process.

The Willow Zug Dovers are very slightly more roomy than the same size London Grain Dovers I have. (I did not notice a difference in the pliability of the uppers between them.) The fractional extra room of the Willow Zug Dover allows me to wear a light cushion merino sock I prefer for traveling. They were also comfortable to start with and continue to feel comfortable through a couple days of break-in wear.
By the way the Willow Zugs shown at Gentleman’s Footwear (on sale) are more of a medium brown, not as orangey brown as they appear in the photo. I sure hope EG has enough of the Willow Zug leather left for a 38mm belt!
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Here's the Willow Zug Dovers on Ridgeway, stormwelt. Perfect for 3 season travel.
 

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I have a question for loafers word sockless (ie. with invisible socks) for soneone with pale skin: is the dark brown suede loafer too much contrast?
 

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One of These Days I'll get the hang of taking shoe photos outside..until then..

Nice day to take the Oundles out for a spin. I believe EG calls the color midnight. Depending on how the sun hits them they appear either Grey or blue. Given my lack of coordination skills they're pretty much a weekend shoe that I toss on with jeans
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The color is cloud antique. Nice! I am a fan of Oundles and have several pairs.
 

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One of These Days I'll get the hang of taking shoe photos outside..until then..

Nice day to take the Oundles out for a spin. I believe EG calls the color midnight. Depending on how the sun hits them they appear either Grey or blue. Given my lack of coordination skills they're pretty much a weekend shoe that I toss on with jeans
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Nice shoes in a lovely colour, grey is pretty underrated. I think that they would look better in a more classic context.
 
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The color is cloud antique. Nice! I am a fan of Oundles and have several pairs.
Ha. Thank you. Im pretty sure the place I bought them called the colour midnight...which I thought strange because they're light versus dark (which midnight invokes). Obviously they didn't have the original box and it didn't matter enough to me to bother EG over it..but still nice to know after all these years. 😅
 

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