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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by earthdragon, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. DartagnanRed

    DartagnanRed Senior member

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    There has been a noticeable drop in quality. This was confirmed to me by Matt Jensen (although he obviously had an incentive to say so).
     
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    HowElection Day on Day by Lyle Lovett. If you swap the shoulder pads for bolo ties, that is..
     
  3. Geoffrey Firmin

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    I still listen to this.

    Mind you I think this is a better video same bad hair, make up and Oxford St induced hangovers via French's
     
  4. Journeyman

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    Personally speaking, I haven't noticed that the quality has become worse. Having said that, though, I've thought that their shirts are considerably overpriced ever since they moved production of shirts out of Australia and over to Pakistan and then Vietnam.

    Given our higher production costs, I'm prepared to pay $180 for a decent, Australian-made shirt. However, I see no reason to pay that much for a shirt made for a fraction of the cost in a third-world country, particularly when brands like Charles Tyrwhitt and TM Lewin sell very similar shirts for about a quarter of the price.

    Of course (as has been discussed previously in this thread), Herringbone are not the only offenders in this regard as there are plenty of other shirts for sale for eyewatering prices in Australia that are very ordinary in terms of quality (such as Baubridge and Kay, Thomas Pink, and in fact pretty much everything in the business shirt section of David Jones).
     
  5. Nicholas D C

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    Just out of interest, how would a Cottonwork ($75 tier) compare against Herringbone's $180 shirts? And what about the Thomas Mason and Tessitura Monti tiers?

    One other thing I've noticed is that Cottonwork's TessMonti shirts are 200 thread-count (and cost approx 210 AUD) and the Thomas Mason ones are 120 thread-count and cost $140. Are Thomas Mason and TessMonti otherwise of equal quality?
     
  6. Petepan

    Petepan Senior member

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    LOL to the synchronised double clap.
     
  7. JimmyHoffa

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    I will keep my eyes open for a well dressed gentlemen. Unless you are a 441er, in which case I won't see you.

    Small world, I use Jazma shoes for my repairs and Topying.

    When I first went in there I took my Loakes with me. I put them down on the counter, and asked one of the brothers, 'have you ever topy'ed a shoe before?'. He stared at me for about 3 seconds and then just laughed. I was actually offended at first, then I realised that I must have offended him :). They charge $45 per pair. I am pretty sure the cobbler's association has gotten together on topying - Coombs charges the same amount. They also sell RM Williams (for Oil, when he visits).

    Anyway, Nicholas, if you are going to buy business shirts, you may aswell just spend a little more and get some Kiton shirts, they're pretty nice.
     
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    I think price is a multi-causal factor, not just thread count. There's the ply-count, and not forgetting the quality of the cotton, itself (pima/upland/tree/Egyptian/Turkish/Chinese/Indian/Australian etc etc etc), and whether it's a cotton blend, or pure cotton, etc, etc, etc...
     
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    MS, I disagree. He should book tickets to Italy, go to Naples and have some shirts handmade by Anna Matuozzo and her family.
     
  10. flexiflex

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    Not a big fan of Topy for shoes. especially if the workmanship is poor then it can be quite obvious that a thin layer of plastic has been stuck on. look cheap to me. why ruin your shoes that way? I try not to wear my shoes more than twice a week.
     
  11. Nicholas D C

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    Cottonwork doesn't seem to provide info on ply count unfortunately, but both are 'Super-fine Egyptian cotton' according to the website, and all are pure cotton generally. I'm mainly interested in whether TessMonti is noticeably better than the Thomas Mason fabric (which I have a sample of, and was quite impressed by when feeling it and comparing to Cottonwork's own fabric tiers). Thanks for the info re: ply count though, will keep an eye out. Generally 2-ply cotton shirts tend to be standard at the higher end, as I understand it?
     
  12. JimmyHoffa

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    Now we're talking! I knew this thread was destined for bigger things.

    P.S Matt, MJ Bale is having a pretty big lane way sale today, through till the third. I know you're out in the sticks, but if you are traveling to Melbourne, you might be able to pickup a nice suit.
     
  13. Nicholas D C

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    Yes, might do some space tourism whilst I'm at it. [​IMG]

    I have actually already gone custom for the majority of my business shirts (courtesy of a fairly good tailor in Bangkok, shirts made from Egyptian cotton, I think he said it was same fabric as some RLBL shirts). Of course, my experience wasn't the same as if I'd gone to Charvet or Savile Row, but that'll be on the cards next year when I'm back in the UK (and damn, Maurice Sedwell/Andrew Ramroop is more expensive than he used to be... think he went from 2500 GBP to 4500 GBP per three-piece recently...). Right now I have more dress shirts than is really necessary, when I was in Bangkok I got far too many double cuffs, but oh well. Need to branch out into some button-cuff types, as I think wearing cuff-links day-in day-out might be a bit too formal in certain instances for my current workplace.
     
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  14. Prince of Paisley

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    I don't think it's a question of just cost, so much as value and availability of skill. Some of our Australian clothing label owners on this forum will tell you that in many cases there is no suitable Australian supplier of the garments they and the market want. Some of the skills like shoe making are basically gone altogether.

    Even if there are Australian suppliers, quality can actually be more of an issue than it is in China, and the gap is getting larger very year. Look at the quality of your Chinese made MJ Bale suits and compare them to an Australian made Farage suit. Last time I looked the Chinese suits were better finished all round and more consistently cut to their block, not to mention half the price. Their Japanese made suits are even nicer, on par with the Australian suits in terms of price and getting even cheaper as the yen falls.

    I'm as patriotic as the next bloke, but I'm not prepared to pay a 100% premium for an inferior product just because it whistles Waltzing Matilda.
     
  15. The Ernesto

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    Interesting point. Reflection of manufacturing/skills in ascendancy in one region and in decline in another.
     
  16. LonerMatt

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    Yes! More meetups, more often. I've been to one, was hideously late after poorly organising it, still had a blast chatting the night away. It's a shame our schedules/locations vary so wildly across the forum.
     
  17. DartagnanRed

    DartagnanRed Senior member

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    Farage gave a presentation to some of my associates, and he reportedly said that up until about a year ago he maintained Australian manufacturing because the quality wasn't up to scratch offshore for suits of the same price. He now plans to use more offshore production (perhaps all of it) as the quality suit manufacturing in China has surpassed that in Australia for the same price point.

    Take this with a grain of salt as it is hearsay.
     
  18. flexiflex

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    good insight there, thanks for the info Prince.

    Have you guys noticed the suits in Farage are all in peak lapels? I also agree that MJ suits seem to be better quality compared to Farage. Price is cheaper as well.

    is there a Paul Smith stocklist here in Sydney? What do people think about their suits?
     
  19. Manuhiri

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    Ditto. Super pleased with them. Thanks to deingesicht for organising.
     
  20. Gerry Nelson

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    The Melbourne sale is on next Thursday.
     
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