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post #82126 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Bobbo316 View Post
 

I dont agree with saying the way people look or dress effects their work ethic or the product produced.

 

Its their personal choice.

Maybe they drive a Lambo and have a house in the Hamptons and thats how they choose to spend their cash...

 

Many of us on here have beautiful Alden, Tricker, EG, Carmina shoes but the rest of the clothing is just normal.

Hobbies and tastes are just that. Nice shoes doesnt automatically equal nice pants, nice shirts, etc.

Saying they should or they have to is absurd.

 

No, but it can IMPACT the culture of the company.

 

If you looked at Apple in the 80s, they dressed like COMPLETE SHIT. But it was cool. It was counter culture. It was a big FUCK YOU to corporate America. This culture helped them innovate and change the computer industry in the 80s, unlike IBM. 

 

If you work at a high end dress shoe company, which most people consider Alden to be, you better have the culture right. I wouldn't even use the bathroom at Alden's factory. 

post #82127 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Bobbo316 View Post

I dont agree with saying the way people look or dress effects their work ethic or the product produced.

Its their personal choice.
Maybe they drive a Lambo and have a house in the Hamptons and thats how they choose to spend their cash...

Many of us on here have beautiful Alden, Tricker, EG, Carmina shoes but the rest of the clothing is just normal.
Hobbies and tastes are just that. Nice shoes doesnt automatically equal nice pants, nice shirts, etc.
Saying they should or they have to is absurd.

+1. What do I care what they wear while making my shoes? I just want the shoes to turn out top quality. It's the poor quality that should be bothersome, and I think the OP's talk about their "looks" was certainly misguided and misfortunate.
post #82128 of 122416
We should move on.
post #82129 of 122416
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+1. What do I care what they wear while making my shoes? I just want the shoes to turn out top quality. It's the poor quality that should be bothersome, and I think the OP's talk about their "looks" was certainly misguided and misfortunate.

My point went completely over your head.

post #82130 of 122416
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I wouldn't even use the bathroom at Alden's factory. 

You are quite special indeed...
post #82131 of 122416
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I'm now gonna bow out of this thread of Alden circle jerking.

Just as I assumed.... Can't be taken at his word.
post #82132 of 122416
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I wouldn't even use the bathroom at Alden's factory. 

I believe we've been entertaining a Troll.
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I think you guys are being a little hard on omert.  Just let him have his own opinion.  You don't have to insist that he is wrong or try to invalidate it.  I acknowledge that this happens in all internet forums, so its no surprise.

 

I don't back everything that he says, but I don't think it is so unreasonable to suggest that there might be a relationship between someone taking pride in their work and someone taking pride in their appearance.  I imagine a lot of the work that the Alden workers do is messy, with hot cork and edge dressing, so I don't expect them to wear nice clothes.  But for example, I used to work in a very conservative office, and if you showed up with a stain on your tie, wrinkled pants and your shirt was untucked, it would reflect poorly on you, and people might wonder if you take your work seriously.  So while I don't necessarily agree, I see his point.  It is really not that absurd, and I think a lot of folks have looked a little ridiculous by refusing to see the potential validity in what I perceive that he is trying to say.

 

My theory is actually that the C&J workers knew that the video was going to be filmed that day, and everyone made a point of putting their best foot forward for the video.  Also, that video seems to have been edited to a higher degree.

 

For Alden, they may have known there was going to be a video, they may not have, but since it was sort of an informal video, not to be posted on their own company's youtube channel, they didn't make a point of doing anything differently.  Again, just speculation, I don't claim to know for sure.

 

I think that omert has been crucified by some, and agree with the points he makes about buzzwords and sensationalism.  Crazy how people today get so excited about such stupid things, and just believe what they want to.

 

Anyway, put me on the cross next to him for being dissonant.

post #82134 of 122416
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We should move on.

 

agreed.

 

my latest acquisition, trade with zr0e. gonna reno them and brush a bit on sunday night during tv. happy to see Van last works well for me 

 

post #82135 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Bobbo316 View Post

I dont agree with saying the way people look or dress effects their work ethic or the product produced.

Its their personal choice.
Maybe they drive a Lambo and have a house in the Hamptons and thats how they choose to spend their cash...

Many of us on here have beautiful Alden, Tricker, EG, Carmina shoes but the rest of the clothing is just normal.
Hobbies and tastes are just that. Nice shoes doesnt automatically equal nice pants, nice shirts, etc.
Saying they should or they have to is absurd.

Right - and maybe they don't get paid enough to buy the sort of luxury goods they manufacture for others. Those kids making sneakers for $1 a day in Southeast Asia wear really terrible sneakers, for example. Makes me question their work ethic.
post #82136 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Omert4 View Post

No, but it can IMPACT the culture of the company.

If you looked at Apple in the 80s, they dressed like COMPLETE SHIT. But it was cool. It was counter culture. It was a big FUCK YOU to corporate America. This culture helped them innovate and change the computer industry in the 80s, unlike IBM. 

If you work at a high end dress shoe company, which most people consider Alden to be, you better have the culture right. I wouldn't even use the bathroom at Alden's factory. 
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Originally Posted by Omert4 View Post

My point went completely over your head.


I will remind you that you are the one who keeps bringing up the clothing the employees wear.

You are quite the opinionated little fellow.

I just find it entertaining that the guy who wants to "grow" calf leather and shells in a laboratory is trying to educate all of us and Alden, which has been around for about 100 years, on how a workforce should be established.
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If I was the CEO of Allen Edmonds, I'd really work on the boot offerings and I'd invest heavily in figuring out how to grow calf leather and shell cordovan in a science lab so that way there'd be no shortage of great calf or cordovan. It wouldn't be prone to scarring, stretch marks, etc. But all of these shoe companies are so old school and so stuck in doing things how they've been doing things since the time of Jesus. 

But maybe if all the Alden employees and bathrooms were drenched in Dior Bois D'argent, you would be much happier, as they would at least pass your smell test.
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dior bois d'argent

Just thought I would toss in more trolling this dude has done.
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I sent an email to Viberg recently about their product for info, no reply back. Also sent an email to Common Projects for info, no reply. Was a big CP customer, but will no longer buy their products. Never had a Viberg boot, and glad I don't. When a way bigger company like AE has their CEO personally getting back to you, that's the kind of company I like to deal with. Even Saint Laurent got back to me when I asked about their shoes.
post #82137 of 122416

Thank you Bakes17711. I am used to the critique I've received in the thread. I was once called a bigot for saying that the current issue of marriage is a definition issue, rather than an equal right's issue (because technically gays have the same marriage rights as straights), and people called me a bigot. If people could put their feelings aside, maybe they would see my point.

 

Regardless of my thoughts on Alden's QC, they still do produce shoes that will last a long time because of quality materials and proven manufacturing techniques. They just need to take care of the details. They don't have that culture in place. You can tell from QC issues all the way to the flimsy, small boxes they still ship with their shoes. Check out Viberg's new packaging. You can tell they really do care.

 

Oh, and it's obvious Johnnyrich doesn't understand my point at all with that post above. But hey, if a person doesn't agree with popular opinion, the only logical conclusion is that they are a troll because no sane person would go against popular opinion. By the way, Dior Bois D'argent is one of my most complimented fragrances.

post #82138 of 122416
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Alden factory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNYbOMVV0Us

Crockett & Jones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxbk8PfFePY

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Originally Posted by Omert4 View Post


I doubt Alden employees could make it in an EG factory.

But Alden workers don't look much different than EG workers, do they?

Not excusing Alden's poor QC, btw. But what their factory workers look like and/or how they dress has nothing to do with it though.
post #82139 of 122416
Well said Bakes
post #82140 of 122416
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Originally Posted by Wes Bourne View Post



ORLY?

Not excusing Alden's poor QC, btw. But what their factory workers look like and/or how they dress has nothing to do with it though.

 

Quite impressive shoes with the fiddleback waists and channeled soles being produced in that video. I wonder if Alden cares enough to take care of details like that or are they gonna keep shoving Barrie last shoes with poor QC down our throat?

 

This is no different than the overweight street wear cool guys who have never been in a gym buying atlethic shoes like Jordans at $200, despite the shitty quality and longevity. That doesn't matter. It's a Jordan shoe. Take my money now. 

 

Same here with Alden.

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