For the Fanboys: 2011 Mustang GT vs 2011 BMW M3 hot-laps

sonick · Aug 24, 2010

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spencers · Aug 24, 2010

fanboys of what?
In the end, it's still a ****** Ford.

bkk · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by spencers

fanboys of what?
In the end, it's still a ****** Ford.

Did I miss the part where the lap times were pretty close? I hate American cars as much as the next German-loving-car-guy, but give credit where its due. Ford is the only American car manufacturer that understands what people want, unlike GM and Chrysler who covered their ears and went "la la la" into bailout hell.

sonick · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by spencers

fanboys of what?

Who the **** do you think, genius?

TheFoo · Aug 24, 2010

The real story is how the M3 has become more like the Mustang over the years, not vice-versa. Added weight, added power, added size. Convergence is hardly surprising. It's not for nothing that the M3 is often called a "German Mustang."

zjpj83 · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

The real story is how the M3 has become more like the Mustang over the years, not vice-versa. Added weight, added power, added size. Convergence is hardly surprising. It's not for nothing that the M3 is often called a "German Mustang."

Agreed. It's a shame.

TheFoo · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by zjpj83

Agreed. It's a shame.
Well, I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing, although I too prefer the old paradigm. It's just that the character of the car has dramatically changed over the years. Also, the current Mustang is simply a fantastic performance car. Any disagreement with that conclusion tends to stem from simple snobbery.

dah328 · Aug 24, 2010

Do the Mustang GTs still have solid rear axles?

TheFoo · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by dah328

Do the Mustang GTs still have solid rear axles?

Yes. Gloriously, so.

dah328 · Aug 24, 2010

That's pretty impressive if they handle that well on a solid rear axle. They must have made all kinds of weird accommodations to ensure that it puts power down smoothly to the rear wheels.

TheFoo · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by dah328

That's pretty impressive if they handle that well on a solid rear axle. They must have made all kinds of weird accommodations to ensure that it puts power down smoothly to the rear wheels.

Reviews suggest that the live axle is now only a liability on bumpy roads, being otherwise undetectable.

dah328 · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Reviews suggest that the live axle is now only a liability on bumpy roads, being otherwise undetectable.
Unfortunately, most roads are bumpy. And you'd better stay off the rumble strips in track corners, too.

A Y · Aug 24, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

The real story is how the M3 has become more like the Mustang over the years, not vice-versa. Added weight, added power, added size. Convergence is hardly surprising. It's not for nothing that the M3 is often called a "German Mustang."

+1. The side profile of the E92 M3 even looks like the last-gen Mustang, but then again, BMW's smaller M cars have kind of become the German pony cars, not that there's anything wrong with that, because power oversteer can be lots of fun.

Speaking of antiquated technology, the Corvette's leaf springs and truck engine are still things of wonder.

--Andre

dah328 · Aug 24, 2010

Yeah, those GM V8s are pretty impressive. Dollar for dollar, they're probably the cheapest horsepower available. Supposedly, one of the later iterations of the GM pushrod V8 has variable valve timing. I don't understand how that could work unless they have some pretty ugly mechanism at the bottom of the block to actuate the pushrods.

A Y · Aug 24, 2010

How about some coelacanth on coelacanth action? A Chevy LS2 in a Porsche 911:
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