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Yes, I do belive.
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Yes, I do belive.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/18...ex.html?hpt=C2 Quote: Some interesting and unexplainable items about deathbed visions: • Visions people experience at the end of life are remarkably similar. • The dying are most often visited by their mothers. It shouldn't be too surprising that the person who is actually present as we cross the threshold of life and take our first breaths once again appears at the threshold as we take our last breaths. • Hands passionately reaching upward to some unseen force is witnessed in many deathbed encounters. Disprove this! Disprove this!
I'm still on the fence. Like the poster on the wall of X-Files, I want to believe....
Seriously. See what I don't get is, if God or 'the gods' let such ****** things happen, why don't they appear to us to apologize? Why keep hidden? If I'm just supposed to follow on blind faith, I'll end up dead and broken like John Locke from LOST. The simplest, Occam's Razor answer is, there is no God...
I'm with you as an Agnostic, but can tell you what the answer a Christian believer might tell you would be. All bad things that happen in the world are due to (original) sin and are mankind's doing. God provided a way to be saved from this sin with our eternal souls, but the world itself will always be tainted with this sin till He returns. Your argument makes perfect sense to you or me, but it won't register with most devote believers in the Bible. I am unable to present the arguments other religions may make because I am less familiar with them and their beliefs in this area.
Your point #3 above is based on the common misconception that faith is necessarily based on the unknown or unverifiable.
This is painful to read...
I'm one of those people that truly wish they could believe. I'm extremely analytical and logical in my thought processes, and wish it could be turned off. In the end, I can't believe 100 percent, and I'm not sure if the belief I DO have is either: a) real or b) Merely me trying to comfort myself. What I do know is: 1) That the thought that God doesn't exist in any form is truly depressing. (To me) 2) I know I will never be 100 percent convinced of His existence until I see proof. 3) Any "proof" of Gods existence will effectively destroy faith. a) We "believe" in God. We don't "believe" in the Sun, rather, we know it exists. b) How can anyone be "good" if they know that it is a requirement, rather then a choice, thus with Heaven merely being a reward, we will never "be" good, rather, we will all act good. (I wonder whether I act, or am, good at times.) 4)Thus, I know my future interactions with religion will be unfulfilling, at least partly depressive, and I shall always question my own motivations in both life and religious choices. 5)This is all ******* depressing. As for suffering: The way I would justify the suffering is to say that God would take the long view of humanity. If a child hurts himself, he learns from his mistakes. If there was no pain, there would be no learning process. Now, we're suppose to grow as a species. (I would think at least.... we may have some end goal, but remaining the same as we are now seems pointless). How are we to grow, learn, and advance, if we never know what suffering is, if we never know pain and make mistakes?
Interesting comments, and indeed the choice to be religious hinges on the unprovable nature of religion, it demands that one reason for faith by a moral imperative of sorts rather than any scientific rational - that God is to be believed not simply because he is "true" but because he is "right" (the belief that the best life is the religious one).