Levi's Vintage vs Japanese denim

Originally Posted by Composer_1777

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I'm saying its' like music trends. That is my observation. Yeah i've been knowing about japanese denim and dry denim for a while and hardly anyone knew about it. Recently it's become the "in thing" for underground fashion, but its not underground anymore so everyone trying to be diferent than LA denim wearers is going to have to find something new to be cool. I'm curious what is next. I'll probably find out if i stay on here.

You still are confusing me.. "recently it's become the in thing"..
You serious?
Where? In Japan? In America?
In Japan selvedge denim sales have plummeted since around 2002... and in America they've been up down every couple of years since the early 90's.. Brands like The Gap have been producing selvedge jeans every few years since the mid-80's, it's only now that you're noticing it because of the advent of fashion message boards.

Originally Posted by Composer_1777

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I'm saying its' like music trends. That is my observation. Yeah i've been knowing about japanese denim and dry denim for a while and hardly anyone knew about it. Recently it's become the "in thing" for underground fashion, but its not underground anymore so everyone trying to be diferent than LA denim wearers is going to have to find something new to be cool. I'm curious what is next. I'll probably find out if i stay on here.

You are grossly overexaggerating the popularity of japanese denim. I dare you to name shops in the US that specialize in japanese denim besides BIG and SE.

yep.

We'll see, i said it's my observation. I didn't say this is the end all be all facts of life. How long before Gap, and AnF n all the mall brands start using Dry denim, really how long do you think its gonna be? Probably not too far away.

Not sure if i should continue this discussion.. but.. are you serious?

You're straying off the point. Gap have produced dry and/or selvage denim for at least a dozen years, overseen by one of the guys who backed Evisu back in 87. It would be better if you shared your own experience, of wearing Japanese denim and/or LVC.

lol, Seriously, i do see it as a trend, I really do. I t reminds me of music trends, fashion is always like that.

Originally Posted by Composer_1777

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Wearing dry denim and japanese labels is for people in fashion trying to be diferent than other people into fashion. Like punks, goths, emo's and now hipsters, they all like to think they are better than avg people within the same category and eventually it winds up becomming some sub culture type thing.
1) I am better than you, but that has nothing to do with punk rock or goth or my jeans. 2) Emo's what? I don't know any emos, so I can't say what their motivations are. It might be fashion, but I can't speak for them. 3) You're making some very broad swipes with the generalization brush. It might behoove you to stop typing.

This thread ******* delivers.

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GAP was pushing dry selvage denim for the Christmas of 2006. It's hardly a new thing in the mainstream retail market. Furthermore, dry selvage denim has been around in some form or another since the 1870s. I don't see it going anywhere fast.

Japanese selvedge denim and the boots with the fur...

Dry/selvage denim will never reach the popularity of other trends. Composer, you're letting the denim ascendancy of a few online message boards - here, Sufu, etc. - impact your perception of the jean market. Dry denim is a non-event to a huge majority of people (certainly greater than 90%), and is about as much of a trend as wearing pants is.

Originally Posted by zacharydschroeder

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Japanese selvedge denim and the boots with the fur...
+1

I'll jump in on this.

I've worn Levis and Lee since the 60's.

Vintage Lee and Levis from the 60's were great until sometime in the early 70's. I was blown away by the first "Limited Edition" LVC jeans in 1997 or 1998. At last, jeans like I remembered-a better fit, the denim felt right and they just looked better. I bought as many as I could find in my size in deadstock.

I then went searching in Japan. The look was right and the denim tended to always be a bit beefier than the comparable Levis LVC. But I ran into some odd fit issues, like billowing "ducks butt" and less than 34 inseams after one rinse with Studio D'artisan, Lee vintage reissues and Sugar Cane. I didn't like that at all and much prefer the classic Levis butt fit with LVC and a longer 35" inseam after a wash. It is just better looking. I think LVC 1947 are the all around best right now (if you can find them) and better than any Japanese company for fit.

I see the Japanese makers as wonderful fanatics who obsess over minute details, including the "ducks butt" fit of vintage denim and work pants. They go to such great lengths to make everything right that they end up over-doing it a bit IMO. I'd rather have a more flattering fit and a longer inseam.