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The source of Drakes knit ties

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by radicaldog, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member

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    Courtesy of http://www.bespokemanblog.com/ (Some really fantastic articles on there!)

    Edit: See how the handsewn spots are almost square, compare with KW whose a pretty much circles..

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  2. E TF

    E TF Well-Known Member

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    I went to a sales event at the Drakes factory in London a couple of years ago, where Michael Drake told me that the he used the same supplier for his knit ties as Hermes.

    I have one from Charvet that seems pretty much identical to the Drakes' one.
     
  3. CBrown85

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    Yeah my navy knit Drake's is pretty long- I just do a Phat Guido double knot when I wear it, though. Most complimented-on tie.
     
  4. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Well-Known Member

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    As some have said in this thread, vendors using the same supplier does not necessarily mean they have the same knit ties. And the same width/ weave/ length/ whatever you're using to infer from your personal collection of knit ties does not necessarily mean that two different vendors are using the same (or different) suppliers.

    Knits fabrics are made on circular or horizontal knitting machines, and the different textural or color patterns you see are achieved by setting the machine to whatever is the necessary needle formation. This starts with the standard weave/ pearl stitch and then branches out from there. These machines aren't exclusive either, and a few vendors can have the same machines, but perhaps have different quality control processes. It's true, however, that there aren't that many knit tie suppliers in the world, but I suspect the number thrown around on StyleForum underestimates it.

    Inferring who is using what suppliers from one's personal collection of knit ties is like inspecting your sweaters and thinking that everyone who makes a 30-gauge merino sweater must be using the same supplier.

    Drake's uses a knit tie supplier in Germany, I believe. It's indeed a different weave than most knit ties you see. I've seen the same weave on Ralph Lauren knit ties, but I don't know if they use the same supplier.
     
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  5. radicaldog

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    El Corte Ingles in Lisbon (it's actually a Spanish department store that sells mid-market to basic luxury items).
     
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  6. radicaldog

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    Thank you. I don't disagree with any of that. And I'm not interested in who supplies who per se -- I just want to find another source of knit ties of the same quality of Drakes', given that their colour and pattern selection is, of course, limited. Any leads on this German manufacturer?
     
  7. Journeyman

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    "Any leads on this German manufacturer?"

    I don't know if they're exactly the same, but I've got quite a few silk knit ties by Ascot, a German tie manufacturer, which seem very, very similar to my Drake's silk knit.
     
  8. radicaldog

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    You know, perhaps I'm imagining things here, but Ascot might well have been the brand of that Lisbon tie. It really rings a bell. Thank you! Now let's start the interwebz hunt for Ascot knits.

    Edit: http://www.ascot.de/
     
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  9. chobochobo

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    I have quite a few knit ties from a wide variety of manufacturers/ brands - Lands End, Knottery, Saks 5th, Kilgour, Turnbull & Asser, Hermes, Ascot, Gallo, EG Capelli, RLBL and RLPL. I would say that there are marked differences in the weaves and constructions between brands.
     
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    Which is crunchier? Hober or Wang?
     
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    Don't think Hober does knit ties.
     
  12. Sam Hober

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    Unbelragazzo,

    You are correct - we don't use knit fabrics currently.

    Knits ties typically are knitted in long tubes like an open sock.

    We do not make any ready made ties and it will take some time for us to be able to customize knit ties - but this is something on the horizon for us - eventually we will make bespoke knit ties.
     
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    If the tie was from one of El Corte Ingles' brands (Emidio Tucci, Atelier F&B, or Canovas Club) it would be hard to tell where it comes from, as they get their ties from many different manufacturers... those brands are pretty basic, though.
     
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  14. radicaldog

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    Of course there are (I've got most of those and others myself). But there are also virtually identical weaves and qualities across brands. By the way, I didn't know that Hober did knits. I can't find them on his website.
     
  15. radicaldog

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    Yes, but this tie was the only one of its kind in the store. I'm quite confident that the brand was Ascot.
     
  16. radicaldog

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    It would be brilliant if one could pick a solid knit and also the colour for hand-stitched dots. Looking forward to this.
     
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    Sean O'Flynn sells a small selection of rather nice knit ties, supplied by Drakes (or via Drakes, from wherever they get them from). Interestingly they're completely different from the ones Drakes sell themselves.
     
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  18. Sam Hober

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    Radical Dog,

    Thank you for your suggestion - we do something similar currently with our bar tacks.

    If there was interest in custom dots we would probably start with our grenadine silks and offer squares in addition to dots.
     
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    Getting custom spots on knit ties is no problem since they are sewn after the fact.
     
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    Sure- just like Drake's and Emma Willis' used to be.
     

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