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***The official Alden thread *** Share enthusiasm, reviews, sizing, advice, and photos.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by jet, Nov 3, 2008.

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  1. Skatenc123

    Skatenc123 Senior member

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    yea i also thought it was alden at first look. Im curious if Alden is going to do anything about it. With Jcrew having the long wing and the boot, and also carrying alden.
     
  2. Alcibiades

    Alcibiades Senior member

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    I like J Crew, but they copy a number of brands - Alden, RRL, Barbour, etc.
     
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    mistercitizen Senior member

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    Don't forget the Ludlow PTB's too. They're pretty similar to the Alden 990's.

    Ben
     
  4. gaseousclay

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    Does Alden hold a patent for this style of boot? Not sure if that's the correct legal term. Also, Frye makes the Walter boot which is also an Indy knockoff. This leads me to believe that anyone can produce this style of boot. I don't think it really matters because Alden fans won't buy the J Crew version either way. J Crew is simply offering a cheaper alternative
     
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    Just checked jcrew version of indy boots online. Wow thats straight copy and paste but still it doesnt have alden vibe. I guess we are still in good hands. Sometime when I wear alden lwb, ppl ask me if it is from jcrew. But it doesnt bother me at all. Comparing jcrew to alden is sin.
     
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    Alcibiades Senior member

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    A lot of people only know Alden from J Crew stores. I've mentioned this before, but I have been approached and asked "Are those J Crew Aldens" before while wearing Alden cordovan chukkas.
     
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    I think this is one of those things were, as much of a shame as it is, JCrew doesn't care. JCrew is somewhere around a 3 billion dollar company(last I checked), that is praised on the business market for their creativity and innovation in their respective market.

    Additionally, I have heard from many retailers that they cannot attempt to sell shoes/boots they cannot get. 2+ years wait on certain styles cannot fit the model of a fast growing ever changing company like JCrew. I'm not saying I agree with this, but in a business world you have to understand why they would attempt to hijack a style. Every industry in every spectrum of the world does this very same thing. Where can you go now adays that is a chain style store that doesnt sell some sort of hijacked product?
     
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    I highly doubt that any company owns a shoe style. LWB, PTB, Monks are just styles. Sure the Indy has the stiched apron, but so do a lot of shoes.

    You definitely can't say that JC's Ludlow LWB and PTB are copies of Alden. It's just a style.
     
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  9. Papa Doble

    Papa Doble Senior member

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    The AE Mojave is pretty much a copy of Alden's chukka. They don't offer it in shell, but someone listed a shell MTO Mojave on eBay: [​IMG] Compare to Alden's 1339: [​IMG] AE's Patriot penny loafer seems to be their best replica of the LHS. Of course Alden doesn't own the rights to basic designs like these, and the Patriot doesn't resemble the LHS perfectly. But the Mojave is obviously a copy IMO.
     
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    ^ And what chukka is Alden's a copy of?
     
  11. Dillardiv

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    Fair to say my barrie size and trubalance size would be the same? Close to pulling the trigger on a pair of 403s. Only hesitation is I think they would be worn in the same situations as my Wings and HornxDayton service boots, which I have really grown to love and hate the idea of replacing.
     
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  13. Papa Doble

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    I'm not aware of a chukka just like Alden's that pre-dates theirs, but I don't think Alden invented the chukka by any means.
     
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    +1
     
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    Yes it is the same size for most.
    My personal thought is Barrie is the slightest bit trimmer in the toebox so I can wear 8 or 8.5 in Barrie, were as Trubalance its 8 definitively.
     
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    How in fact does one hijack (or steal) a work boot, a PTB, and a LWB? In the case of J Crew, the models are the same, but you are talking about two very different animals at significantly different price points.

    My point exactly...
     
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    This is the standard design Mojave, which is unlined and never officially offered in shell. Not too similar, IMO.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe copying the "iconic" Indy, arguably Alden's most recognized model, pushes things a little too far for some of us? Just speculating. I saw the other Ludlows when they came out and I knew they were trying to provide their customers with more affordable GYW shoes in Alden's style (which is not a bad move as others pointed out - though I personally wouldn't touch them bc I'm a snob), which did not bother me. LWBs, SWBs, PTBs, etc, are classic styles that most makers carry. But the new work style boot- esp. the very obvious way in which it tries to exactly copy the Indy... it strikes me as an uncreative, disrespectful, shameless ripoff. It crosses a line for me. That said, I'll get over it and still buy those things I like from JCrew (oh the hypocrisy).
     
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    Although the last shape is very very similar.
     
  20. Papa Doble

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    Agreed. In my post I said "they don't offer it in shell, but someone listed a shell MTO Mojave on eBay." I included this in my post to show it alongside the 1339. You could also compare the Mojave to Alden's suede chukka. The stitching in particular is remarkably similar.

    I don't really care if AE intentionally copied an Alden design. Alden may very well have done the same thing in the past. It's just an interesting observation.
     
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