Sartorial Word Association -

[John2007]

Wake up. It's not about the clothes it's about the snobbery.
Unlike you I was never banned from a certain forum. I left because it made me sick.

 

[Larry Lean]

Originally Posted by John2007

Wake up. It's not about the clothes it's about the snobbery.
Unlike you I was never banned from a certain forum. I left because it made me sick.

Gotta move forward John.
This is the rut that the style is in.

Thoughts about how to make the point that there is more to America's home grown sartorial heritage than crab encrusted bow ties?

What other country has this attitude to it's tailoring history?

 

[John2007]

Originally Posted by John2007

Needs to get back to its roots.

Here's your answer.

 

[Larry Lean]

Originally Posted by John2007

Here's your answer.

Breathe with me, John -
In with the good air,
Out with the bad...

OK. That's Trad taken care of then.
Global Warming next.

 

[John2007]

I actually agree with you on most points Russell, just not with the way you express them. Your "Trads & Trolls" comment elsewhere sums up the whole problem with discussing Classic American tailoring on the various clothing fora.

I quit Andy's Trad forum because all I could see were entrenched opinions with very little thought behind them. Most of what was being discussed wasn't even Trad anyway as the term was originally intended.

I enjoy your rants and the way that they coincide with various phases of the moon but what you need is a debate on the style not an argument.

Trad is what it is, and it's that way because that's what people want. Do you get it yet? It's tough luck for your beloved 'Ivy League Style' that it's new found fans are using it for an agenda that you don't like. Tough luck for you too.
I suggest you just sit back and watch it destroy itself as tacky photo shoot after tacky photo shoot drag the style down to the level of cheap Appreciation.
Weather out the storm.
If the style is any good it will survive Fogies and fat men in smoking jackets.
Let their sh*t-headedness be their problem not yours.
Chill.

I just got some new Mercers - Why not talk about the good stuff instead?

 

[Larry Lean]

LOL!

The Good Stuff:

Good Grey Flannels.
Andover Shop Shetlands.
Old Stock Penny or Classic Beefroll Sebagos.
Troy Shirtmakers Guild or Andover Shop OCBDs.
Vintage or selected new London Fog Raincoats.
Pre-2004 J.Press Herringbone 3 to 2 roll Sack jackets.
JFK Haircuts.
Liquid lunches.

Do you know the real Russell Street in London by any chance? Home to J. Simons? The only Ivy League shop in Europe?

PM or post, I'm always up to chat Ivy.

Yrs.

"Russell Street"

 

[John2007]

Good list. The Trad wardrobe without the Trad attitude, eh? PM to follow.
J. Simons? Rings a bell.

 

[Nantucket Red]

Don't dis my homies!

 

[Tck13]

exclusionary

dull

 

[Larry Lean]

Originally Posted by Nantucket Red

Don't dis my homies!

Love that!

 

[Larry Lean]

Originally Posted by Tck13

exclusionary

dull

Yeah. Call it the style that F*cked itself.

I just keep hoping for a way forward.

Once it was young, cool & relaxed now... Well, ... not so much.

When did it all go wrong?

'Preppy'? Ralph Lauren? 'Trad'?

We should have a Witch-hunt. Witch-hunts are very 'Trad'!

Happy New Year to all (When it comes)

LL.

 

[odoreater]

I'll tell you what though. Every now and then, I throw on a pair of Khakis, a rep striped tie and a BB slim fit shirt, just to mix things up a bit. But, I can't bring myself to wear any kind of button down, non-horsebit loafers (especially tassels!) or any kind of childhood images (whales, crabs, ships, etc.) on my trousers or a sack suit or blazer. With this outfit I still go with a Corneliani blue darted blazer.

 

[Lamo]

yes, those tassel loafers are quite horrid.

 

[Larry Lean]

Originally Posted by odoreater

I'll tell you what though. Every now and then, I throw on a pair of Khakis, a rep striped tie and a BB slim fit shirt, just to mix things up a bit. But, I can't bring myself to wear any kind of button down, non-horsebit loafers (especially tassels!) or any kind of childhood images (whales, crabs, ships, etc.) on my trousers or a sack suit or blazer. With this outfit I still go with a Corneliani blue darted blazer.

I'm thinking that THIS is probably the way forward.
Take the best bits from Trad (& there are a few nice bits in there) and mix them up with your own look.
I'm a bit purist so I tend to go full tilt at the style, but never into pastiche like some of the AndyTrads.
There is a big comparison to be made between classic English dressers and our dear American Trads - Those who get both looks wrong always go far too far in their ignorance. So you get odd Bertie Wooster clones on one side of the Atlantic and strange looking men in Crabby pants on the other side.

Both in full costume.

... And the style becomes clownish.

IMVHO.

 

[Dormouse]

Trad can be quite charming on middle-aged men but rather disagreeable on younger persons.

I'm a bit purist so I tend to go full tilt at the style, but never into pastiche like some of the AndyTrads.

I never did understand the attraction to crab pants. And yes, some of the AndyTrads are bordering on caricature.