Rules of attired

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Ruprecht, Jun 23, 2006.

  1. Ruprecht

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    I think that Ruppretch is writing according to British usage, in which your vest is what you wear under your shirt if you are prone to the cold, or your mother makes you. In this usage the sleeveless garment worn under the jacket is a waistcoat (except to a few Savile Row tailors, who prefer the old usage of "vest"). I read Rupprecht as cautioning us against wearing string vests, which is perhaps not bad advice...

    That's right - I mean a string vest.

    As for the cigars - I mean the Cuban variety.
     


  2. TomW

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    How, can one possibly make that error? It's like saying that when I say waistcoat I actually mean shoes.

    Jon.


    it's no error. In most of the English speaking world (ie. not the USA) an undershirt is a vest, and a vest is a waistcoat (or westkit)
     


  3. Ruprecht

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    A string vest, as modelled by Rab C Nesbitt.

    [​IMG]
     


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    it's no error. In most of the English speaking world (ie. not the USA) an undershirt is a vest, and a vest is a waistcoat (or westkit)

    Huh?

    I've seen clothing catalogues from England that clearly use the term vest to describe a waistcoat, and not an undergarment.

    Jon.
     


  6. Anthony Jordan

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    Huh?

    I've seen clothing catalogues from England that clearly use the term vest to describe a waistcoat, and not an undergarment.

    Jon.


    I would be very interested if you could give an example? This is very old usage and it would be interesting to know where, in British usage, it has survived.

    Anthony.
     


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    A string vest, as modelled by Rab C Nesbitt.

    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]

    Well here's one rule we probably agree on...
     


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    Your honor, if I may be permitted to withdraw my objection the rule outlawing string vests. [sits down].
     


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    So, I need to buy the cigar before I weed out my favorite suede and caramel colored shoes? Then I smoke the cigar in celebration of now owning only dark shoes?[​IMG]
     


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    As for usage of the English language, you have to remember that people in different parts of England typically have no idea what the other is saying. I have seen people from different parts of London argue over the usage of a word, both positive the word ment something entirely different, and these were people from the same city.
     


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    I'm not much for rules; rather, I prefer generalized guidelines. That being said:

    I'd like to start a thread of rules about dress that each member could add to.

    I'll kick off -

    1. Never wear shoes lighter (in colour) than a Romeo y Julieta churchill cigar.


    I break this one all the time. Not in a formal, serious business situation, mind you, but at other times I love the look of light shoes.

    Not an issue for me.

    In light of the picture presented, I'll give you this one in spades. (And I was eating lunch when viewing this....[​IMG] )
     


  12. odoreater

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    I have only one rule that I follow (almost) religiously. It's not a rule of dress necessarily, but it's related to clothing:

    Never pay full retail.

    Actually, I like to consider it a guideline more than a rule.

    Other than that, I think rules suck and we can do a lot better with less of them. In fact, if there were less rules, I could be doing out on the town instead of at home studying for the bar exam. Damn rules!
     


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    As for usage of the English language, you have to remember that people in different parts of England typically have no idea what the other is saying. I have seen people from different parts of London argue over the usage of a word, both positive the word ment something entirely different, and these were people from the same city.

    Well then, I can hardly be blamed from the other side of the pond.

    Jon.
     


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    Then I propose:
    "4. Forget everything you just read."


    You have to love lawyers. Thank you, counselor.

    Jon.
     


  15. imageWIS

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    You're welcome. I'll see that it's included with this month's bill.

    Along with your Lexus fees? [​IMG]

    Jon.
     


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