Norvegese/Norwegian welted question, is it really better than GoodYear welted ?

[mottykytu]

Norvegese recently has become a trend, many people prefer it to GoodYear, However as far as I know although it is better than Good-Year welted in Water-resistance , it also have many other downsize

1. It make the shoes look more bulky and not as aesthetic as the Goodyears ?

2. It make the shoes feel more weight (because of more bulky outsole) ?

3. It is harder and costlier to resole in the future ? most Cobbler can resole the GoodYear, not many with the Norvegese

So is it worth to invest in an expensive Norwegian welted rather than Goodyears? and what is the different between 240 degree Norvegese vs 360 degree?

 

[SirThopas]

You’re right about the water resistance. As far as your questions go:

1. Bulky maybe, but some people like a chunkier aesthetic. If it’s executed well, it can be very visually pleasing. I find it gets interested comments from people who haven’t seen the technique before.

2. I wouldn’t say it adds significant weight per se, but it’s a style that lends itself to heavier shoes.

3. I haven’t had my Norwegian-welted shoes resoled yet, but I’d be inclined to send them back to the manufacturer (in my case Enzo Bonafe). I’m sure a proficient cobbler can do the job, but whether there are proficient cobblers accessible to you depends on where you live!

The 270 rather than 360 degree will give the shoe/boot a slightly slimmer or at any rate less chunky profile.

 

[Testudo_Aubreii]

Better in terms of water resistance, durability, or aesthetics? See discussions of Norwegian welts' advantages in durability and water resistance here. And of other storm welts here.

 

[mottykytu]

Better in terms of water resistance, durability, or aesthetics? See discussions of Norwegian welts' advantages in durability and water resistance here. And of other storm welts here.

Durability ? really ?

 

[Son Of Saphir]

Norvegese recently has become a trend, many people prefer it to GoodYear, However as far as I know although it is better than Good-Year welted in Water-resistance , it also have many other downsize

1. It make the shoes look more bulky and not as aesthetic as the Goodyears ?

Not always.

2. It make the shoes feel more weight (because of more bulky outsole) ?

Usually but not always.

3. It is harder and costlier to resole in the future ? most Cobbler can resole the GoodYear, not many with the Norvegese

No,
most rwt norvegese will have machine stitched soles so they are easy to resole by a cobbler.

So is it worth to invest in an expensive Norwegian welted rather than Goodyears? and what is the different between 240 degree Norvegese vs 360 degree?

Are norvegese better? No.
Do norvegese have more handwork? Yes.
Are norvegese more costly to make? Yes.

They are just a different type of style and style of making,
same goes with 270 v's 360 degree construction.

Only buy norvegese if you really like the style,
otherwise it is not worth it.

 

[mottykytu]

Not always.

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Usually but not always.



No,
most rwt norvegese will have machine stitched soles so they are easy to resole by a cobbler.



Are norvegese better? No.
Do norvegese have more handwork? Yes.
Are norvegese more costly to make? Yes.

They are just a different type of style and style of making,
same goes with 270 v's 360 degree construction.

Only buy norvegese if you really like the style,
otherwise it is not worth it.

So it don't have many actual daily wear technical advantage compare to goodyears?

 

[Son Of Saphir]

^^^

So it don't have many actual daily wear technical advantage compare to goodyears?

It does have a technical advantage compared to goodyears,
but most people would be completely unaware unless they are true footwear connoisseurs.


- no gemming failure
- a carved out lower walled feather (no high walled component part glued on), so less resistance/stiffness when flexing insole
- less or no filler (cork etc) so it should wear fresher and more cool on the foot IMO

These three points would be considered moot points by the average footwear person imo.
Is the extra cost worth it to me?...yes
Is the extra cost worth it to most people in terms of feel and technical advantage?....probably not.
Is the extra cost worhth it to most people in terms of looks?....for some it is.

 

[mottykytu]

So it don't have many actual daily wear technical advantage compare to goodyears?

^^^


It does have a technical advantage compared to goodyears,
but most people would be completely unaware unless they are true footwear connoisseurs.


- no gemming failure
- a carved out lower walled feather, so less resistance when flexing insole
- less or no filler (cork etc) so it should wear fresher and more cool on the foot IMO

These three points would be considered moot points by the average footwear person imo.
Is the extra cost worth it to me?...yes
Is the extra cost worth it to most people in terms of feel and technical advantage?....probably not.
Is the extra cost worhth it to most people in terms of looks?....for some it is.

You did not mentioned it's water proff which many praised the Norvegese over goodyear ?

 

[Blastwice]

You did not mentioned it's water proff which many praised the Norvegese over goodyear ?

Waterproofing is sort of a weird thing to worry about in regards to a particularly decorative construction like Novegese. Even a 'stormwelt' is more of a marketing term than anything else. It's not a guarantee against moisture ingress and depends on the total construction of the shoe and what you're doing while wearing it.

Buy some rubber rain boots for when you want to splash around in puddles.

 

[Son Of Saphir]

You did not mentioned it's water proff which many praised the Norvegese over goodyear ?

Many norvegese constructions are poorly done with wide stitches so how waterproof are they really.
Many norvegese cut too many corners,
they are like marketing gimmicks.
Many people jump on the band wagon and praise norvegese and call it waterproof,
but......

St Crispins norvegese,
see the wide stitches when attaching out turned upper to slipsole,
it is a very important part of the shoe construction yet done so poorly

Lattanzi norvegese
see the small stitches when attaching out turned upper to slipsole,
nice and secure and less chance of water getting in when standing in puddles.