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Sorry, I didn't think bathrooms and kitchen counted in the room count. 2 BR and a large living room / dining room.
We live with three kids in <1,700 sf. and we have three bedrooms + spacious LR, DR, Kit + sunroom that is a kids' playroom = 7 rooms. It's plenty of room for five though our nanny lives in of our bsmt apts and the kids do spend time there too.
Really? So just a kit, LR, and BR? Those must be very big rooms. And you have twin boys who can share a room until they move out.
Now this is a perfectly reasonable statement. You would like more room, with purposes for the rooms, but are happy to trade off for the life in the city if affords you. That is a far cry from the "what new type of hell is this?" statement from another poster.
Nice try, Piobaire. What EL72 is saying is pretty much what I said--though certainly a bit more judiciously put. If you go back and look at your original statement--and I realize that at the time you were mostly interested in getting a rise out of mafoofan--you were putting forth the notion that a 2000sf city apartment was on the smallish side:
What do basic human needs have to do with anything? If someone wants a wine cellar, and they have the money and the space for it, why shouldn't they have one? Ditto for home theater rooms and exercise rooms.
What do basic human needs have to do with anything? If someone wants a wine cellar, and they have the money and the space for it, why shouldn't they have one? Ditto for home theater rooms and exercise rooms.
Many folks can't afford them, at least not nice ones, and end up with a Barbie dream home that looks and feels like plastic. Often they're poorly decorated, half-filled with mediocre furniture, and look like the occupants haven't finished moving in. Those places make me shudder. Yet this is what the construction industry is pushing as the modern ideal.
I live in a shoebox. Our home theater, dining room, living room, and library are the same room. Now, let's all debate whether my new sofa is kickass or surplus from a hospital waiting room.
Nice try, Piobaire. What EL72 is saying is pretty much what I said--though certainly a bit more judiciously put. If you go back and look at your original statement--and I realize that at the time you were mostly interested in getting a rise out of mafoofan--you were putting forth the notion that a 2000sf city apartment was on the smallish side:
This did indeed strike me as a sort of nightmarish proposition (hence the "fresh hell" epithet) as well as completely out of touch with the realities of living in most cities (where a 2000 sf apartment would nearly always be on the larger end of the spectrum). While I certainly have my own quibbles about space (I'd like a few more closets) I had never considered that my 1700sf was particularly small; indeed most people who come to visit perceive it as fairly spacious.
The bolded is the most intelligent thing you've said so far in this thread. It would have put almost everything else in the right light for the conversation.
Issues? Once again you basically misunderstand me and there's no way for me to tell if it's willful. "Basic human needs" is simply not the same thing as subsistence living. I think we all need and aspire to more than that.