Lets talk about COFFEE

[indesertum]

The orphan espresso people were tired of modding skertons and made their own grinders. Kind of expensive but reviews are glowing. Tempted to buy one myself

 

[patrickBOOTH]

Well the chemex isn't a pressurized method like the aeropress. FP is, so I would say the aero is closer in profile to FP, but without the sediment. Pressurized methods highlight acidity so in that respect I would disagree with the Clever being closer to FP. Furthermore, the clever uses a paper filter, which alters taste to some degree, which he might not be used to and is a non-pressurized method.

 

[indesertum]

Do pressurized methods really highlight more acidity? I've found chemexes to be more acidic than aeropresses and siphons

 

[patrickBOOTH]

Yes, they do. As for chemex being more acidic, it could have just been the beans you've had in it, or perhaps the lack of sediment and lower body you perceive as brightness due to acidity.

 

[b1os]

You're probably right. To me, an AeroPress coffee tastes very "clean"--pretty much the exact opposite of a FP.

 

[patrickBOOTH]

But they are both pressurized methods, albeit very low pressure, and FP lower than aeropress.

 

[patrickBOOTH]

I actually like AY's method of making coffee. It makes a whole lot of sense. @A Y can you share it here in a bit more detail? I believe it has to do with just putting your grinds in an insulated thermos and pouring the just under boiling water into it and then waiting and straining it out. Very little heat loss doing it this way. Very Clover, like.

 

[Flambeur]

PB, why is chemex a pain? Aren't both devices sort of customizable, with a million ways to vary things (I guess with AP you can control contact time better, but with Chemex you can play with saturation, temperatures, blooming and all those things as well) I guess I want something that will allow me to try and understand different flavor profiles of coffees better, in a somewhat consistent manner, but where I can make some adjustments if needed to get more out of a different bean. I know that probably doesn't help. I was going to go AP, but I usually am not a big fan of wateriness, if that makes sense.. I kind of like body, although FP may be a bit more on the over-bodied side.

 

[patrickBOOTH]

If you don't like wateriness don't use a Chemex. IMO, they produce too thin of a cup and you can't let the coffee brew optimally, same goes for normal pour over. Too little contact time, you're going to have to dose up like crazy. If I were you I would either stick to FP, or go aero.

 

[Flambeur]

Oooh, here is another question, will my Skerton grinds be more consistent for one method over the other?

 

[Flambeur]

Also keep in mind that I do already have and use the FP, so maybe i should go the opposite direction so I taste both ways where the methods isn't too close??

 

[Flambeur]

Basically, if AP only gives me no sediment on the bottom over FP, then maybe I should try something else, no?

 

[patrickBOOTH]



Oooh, here is another question, will my Skerton grinds be more consistent for one method over the other?

Skerton is made to grind very fine for espresso use, which it is good at. It is not designed to do grinds associated with immersion brewing.

 

[patrickBOOTH]



Basically, if AP only gives me no sediment on the bottom over FP, then maybe I should try something else, no?

I don't understand your question. Aero is essentially going to give you a cleaner, slightly brighter cup than FP. Why do you want to move away from the FP to begin with?

 

[b1os]



I actually like AY's method of making coffee. It makes a whole lot of sense. @A Y can you share it here in a bit more detail? I believe it has to do with just putting your grinds in an insulated thermos and pouring the just under boiling water into it and then waiting and straining it out. Very little heat loss doing it this way. Very Clover, like.

He basically prepares a CCD. Since the CCD isn't well insulated, he relocates the steeping to the Espro Press (insulated). Obviously, one doesn't need a CCD anymore since the ability to hold the water isn't required anymore.

It tastes far different than the regular CCD. Not only due to the heat loss. As I've said before, if you let the coffee steep in the CCD for three minutes, it takes about 1 minute to drain. If I relocate the three minutes of steeping to the Espro Press, then pour it into the CCD and immediately drain it, it takes 3-5 minutes. (I suppose it's due to the fact that the particles already "settle down" when you let it steep in the filter, among other reasons)

I like it. For the past month or so I've only been using the Espro Press though because the beans I currently use work best in it, imo.