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Last button undone on working buttonholes...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Maximus Mark, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. kolecho

    kolecho Senior member

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    No issue with one button undone, so far, but I reserve the right to change my mind from time to time [​IMG]
     
  2. Get Smart

    Get Smart Senior member

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    If I'm in a casual setting and doing something with my hands, eating at a bbq/picnic and particularly out of the city.
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    If I'm at a BBQ/picnic the last thing I'm wearing is a suit jacket, much less one that has functioning button cuffs.

    I'm in the camp of do whatever you want with your buttons. Personally I leave them all buttoned, but if someone chooses to unbutton one, two, three etc it doesnt bother me
     
  3. Tuerney1

    Tuerney1 Well-Known Member

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    If I'm at a BBQ/picnic the last thing I'm wearing is a suit jacket, much less one that has functioning button cuffs.

    Well, the original post never said anything about a suit, unless I misread it, simply a jacket with buttonholes. [​IMG]

    If I can avoid it, I generally don't wear business clothes to social functions, but there are plenty of times I've been at a bbq, garden party, cocktail party that devolved/evolved to a bonfire on the beach outside, where it was cool enough to want my sportcoat (or even suit coat) on but I rolled up my sleeves a bit.

    To each his own. [​IMG]
     
  4. passingtime

    passingtime Senior member

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    It looks like you are wearing a jacket with a button missing.
     
  5. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Maybe they got something right...for the first time ever. [​IMG]

    Massimo does it and he is one of my style icons.


    Right now I am at a 1 to 2 buttons undone stage and I notice that a lot of Italians (via Naples, not Brooklyn) wear one to all undone. I don't do that for more formal business occasions but I like the rakishness of the buttons undone, a puffed out pocket square and a tie knot that is slightly askew. The legends that I try to style myself after usually wore things in a manner that many today and then considered naff, i.e Gianni with his watch over his shirt cuff. Anyone can look good following "the rules", it takes a lot more work and balls to look good going against the grain.
     
  6. Dragon

    Dragon Senior member

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    I never knew the sleeve buttons were such a big deal.

    When I wear a suit...that means I`m usually in a more formal/business setting so I leave all my buttons up (the jacket sleeves, shirt cuffs, shirt collar, and of course pants [​IMG] ) When I`m wearing a sports jacket (which is about 90% of the time for me) I usually leave a few buttons undone.

    Leaving sleeve buttons undone (to me) is just another casual way of wearing my jackets. Sometimes I don`t button my shirt cuff buttons either. I would compare it to wearing a shirt with one or two collar buttons undone...it`s no big deal
     
  7. Aureus

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    95% Won't notice or care. 5% of people will notice and I don't care what they think.
     
  8. Tomasso

    Tomasso Senior member

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    It's an affectation, like a popped collar.
     
  9. grimslade

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    95% Won't notice or care. 5% of people will notice and I don't care what they think.

    But if that's the case, why do it?
     
  10. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Senior member

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    It's the secret handshake of artisan fans worldwide. [​IMG]
     
  11. Aureus

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    But if that's the case, why do it?

    Because I like how it looks?

    /edit/

    To elaborate. If I were to wear my clothes only so that other people liked it, I'd be like the rest of the 19 year olds wearing A&F t-shirts and True Religion jeans. I wear stuff that I like and I'm going to keep on doing so. Some of the 5% that notice will like it, some won't. If me having one, two, three or all buttons undone is going to bother someone, do I really want to get to know them?
     
  12. Tomasso

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    It's the secret handshake of artisan fans worldwide. [​IMG]

    Working Buttonholes are now commonly found on low priced RTW, not to mention the aficionados who have them cut into their RTW jackets, where the only thing artisanal about the jackets are the buttonholes[​IMG]
     
  13. Aureus

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    Working Buttonholes are now commonly found on low priced RTW, not to mention the aficionados who have them cut into their RTW jackets, where the only thing artisanal about the jackets are the buttonholes[​IMG]

    True, you can walk into Sears and Macys nationwide and find jackets with working buttonholes. Mind you, you can look at the button and see that it is poorly made...
     
  14. drake

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    Sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes one on one side, two on the other, sometimes two on one side and one on another. So yes, all the fucking time, infact, I try and go through all the permutations I can!


    ps - I seriously didn't expect this response, it's like I'v fallen into a AAAC vortex OF DOOM <scary music>
     
  15. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In my minor peregrinations I have come to a few equally minor conclusions: In Italy, men can wear a sleeve button undone and look dashing. In France, men can wear Hermes ties and not look like people who don't know any better. Outside the country, the context changes everything. It's hard to explain.
     
  16. willie

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    I do it all the time on my Kiton and Brioni jackets. Leaving a button undone is just one of the details I get with top quality clothing. I also like unusually colored shoes and pocket squares. I like to have fun with my clothing, unlike some guys who approach dressing as wearing a uniform.

    Some people comment that low end brands now feature working buttonholes. I can assure you that there is no danger that anyone will mistake my Kiton suits for a Banana Republic jacket.

    I thought the Oxxford jacket in Men's Vogue looked great with the two buttons undone. Despite the offense and condescension some feel about this, it remains perfectly acceptable.
     
  17. ferry1950

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    I am in the unbuttoned camp.
    If I pay $1200 plus for a mtm suit or jacket, I want all the bells and whistles
    and use them when I feel like it.
    On suits I leave one button undone,because I can. On a sports coat,it is two left unbottoned, because it is more causal.
    I dress for myself not to impress others. Having the functional buttons, different colored lining, tix pocket on coat, and multiple interior pockets for passport, wallet,cell phone, etc. make me happy and comfortable wearing a one of kind suit or jacket.
    ghw
     
  18. Drinkwaters

    Drinkwaters Senior member

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    I think what most people here have touched upon but haven't given thought to is that there is an expression we try to evoke when wearing our clothing and for lack of a better expression lets call it "Attitude". Our clothing is an outward expression of our character, being that, when we wear one or more of our sleeve buttons open,when we wear sharply contrasting hoseiry, button only the top button of a three button jacket, wear our watches over our shirt cuffs, leave the buttons undone on a button down shirt, wrap duct tape around our sperrys etc, etc, etc.... It's all "Attitude".
    There are some that define the "Rules" but even they have a trait that they feel is expressly theirs. I feel that if one appreciates clothing as much as we do,we should not feel guilty about expressing ourselves in the ways that we do. Clothing is about feeling good about how you look and how that translates to the public.
    I never revoke ones style because it is pretentious or affected, as a matter of fact I applaud it because they have arrived to what makes sense to them.

    Gary
     
  19. otterhound

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    It's an affectation, like a popped collar.
    Agreed.
     
  20. Tuerney1

    Tuerney1 Well-Known Member

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    I think what most people here have touched upon but haven't given thought to is that there is an expression we try to evoke when wearing our clothing and for lack of a better expression lets call it "Attitude"...

    I never revoke ones style because it is pretentious or affected, as a matter of fact I applaud it because they have arrived to what makes sense to them.


    QFT

    That was very well said. Different people just have different attitudes and different styles...here, I think it is far less of a correct vs. incorrect issue, as everyone understands what buttons and buttonholes are for in the first place.

    As for the affectation, well, that's just what someone who doesn't appreciate a given style calls it. Others would say that ascots, bowties, felt hats, chesterfields, waistcoats, pocket squares, brown shoes with a blue suit, flannel suiting, working sleeve buttonholes in the first place, etc., are affected. Some people even consider neckties at most social functions a matter of affectation.

    Although I don't wear them unbottoned without rolling them up, I think if you want to leave sleeve buttons undone, good on ya. [​IMG]
     

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