Last button undone on working buttonholes...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Maximus Mark, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. Aureus

    Aureus Senior member

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    But if that's the case, why do it?

    Because I like how it looks?

    /edit/

    To elaborate. If I were to wear my clothes only so that other people liked it, I'd be like the rest of the 19 year olds wearing A&F t-shirts and True Religion jeans. I wear stuff that I like and I'm going to keep on doing so. Some of the 5% that notice will like it, some won't. If me having one, two, three or all buttons undone is going to bother someone, do I really want to get to know them?
     
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    It's the secret handshake of artisan fans worldwide. [​IMG]

    Working Buttonholes are now commonly found on low priced RTW, not to mention the aficionados who have them cut into their RTW jackets, where the only thing artisanal about the jackets are the buttonholes[​IMG]
     
  3. Aureus

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    Working Buttonholes are now commonly found on low priced RTW, not to mention the aficionados who have them cut into their RTW jackets, where the only thing artisanal about the jackets are the buttonholes[​IMG]

    True, you can walk into Sears and Macys nationwide and find jackets with working buttonholes. Mind you, you can look at the button and see that it is poorly made...
     
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    Sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes one on one side, two on the other, sometimes two on one side and one on another. So yes, all the fucking time, infact, I try and go through all the permutations I can!


    ps - I seriously didn't expect this response, it's like I'v fallen into a AAAC vortex OF DOOM <scary music>
     
  5. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    In my minor peregrinations I have come to a few equally minor conclusions: In Italy, men can wear a sleeve button undone and look dashing. In France, men can wear Hermes ties and not look like people who don't know any better. Outside the country, the context changes everything. It's hard to explain.
     
  6. willie

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    I do it all the time on my Kiton and Brioni jackets. Leaving a button undone is just one of the details I get with top quality clothing. I also like unusually colored shoes and pocket squares. I like to have fun with my clothing, unlike some guys who approach dressing as wearing a uniform.

    Some people comment that low end brands now feature working buttonholes. I can assure you that there is no danger that anyone will mistake my Kiton suits for a Banana Republic jacket.

    I thought the Oxxford jacket in Men's Vogue looked great with the two buttons undone. Despite the offense and condescension some feel about this, it remains perfectly acceptable.
     
  7. ferry1950

    ferry1950 Well-Known Member

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    I am in the unbuttoned camp.
    If I pay $1200 plus for a mtm suit or jacket, I want all the bells and whistles
    and use them when I feel like it.
    On suits I leave one button undone,because I can. On a sports coat,it is two left unbottoned, because it is more causal.
    I dress for myself not to impress others. Having the functional buttons, different colored lining, tix pocket on coat, and multiple interior pockets for passport, wallet,cell phone, etc. make me happy and comfortable wearing a one of kind suit or jacket.
    ghw
     
  8. Drinkwaters

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    I think what most people here have touched upon but haven't given thought to is that there is an expression we try to evoke when wearing our clothing and for lack of a better expression lets call it "Attitude". Our clothing is an outward expression of our character, being that, when we wear one or more of our sleeve buttons open,when we wear sharply contrasting hoseiry, button only the top button of a three button jacket, wear our watches over our shirt cuffs, leave the buttons undone on a button down shirt, wrap duct tape around our sperrys etc, etc, etc.... It's all "Attitude".
    There are some that define the "Rules" but even they have a trait that they feel is expressly theirs. I feel that if one appreciates clothing as much as we do,we should not feel guilty about expressing ourselves in the ways that we do. Clothing is about feeling good about how you look and how that translates to the public.
    I never revoke ones style because it is pretentious or affected, as a matter of fact I applaud it because they have arrived to what makes sense to them.

    Gary
     
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    It's an affectation, like a popped collar.
    Agreed.
     
  10. Tuerney1

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    I think what most people here have touched upon but haven't given thought to is that there is an expression we try to evoke when wearing our clothing and for lack of a better expression lets call it "Attitude"...

    I never revoke ones style because it is pretentious or affected, as a matter of fact I applaud it because they have arrived to what makes sense to them.


    QFT

    That was very well said. Different people just have different attitudes and different styles...here, I think it is far less of a correct vs. incorrect issue, as everyone understands what buttons and buttonholes are for in the first place.

    As for the affectation, well, that's just what someone who doesn't appreciate a given style calls it. Others would say that ascots, bowties, felt hats, chesterfields, waistcoats, pocket squares, brown shoes with a blue suit, flannel suiting, working sleeve buttonholes in the first place, etc., are affected. Some people even consider neckties at most social functions a matter of affectation.

    Although I don't wear them unbottoned without rolling them up, I think if you want to leave sleeve buttons undone, good on ya. [​IMG]
     
  11. grimslade

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    QFT

    That was very well said. Different people just have different attitudes and different styles...here, I think it is far less of a correct vs. incorrect issue, as everyone understands what buttons and buttonholes are for in the first place.

    As for the affectation, well, that's just what someone who doesn't appreciate a given style calls it. Others would say that ascots, bowties, felt hats, chesterfields, waistcoats, pocket squares, brown shoes with a blue suit, flannel suiting, working sleeve buttonholes in the first place, etc., are affected. Some people even consider neckties at most social functions a matter of affectation.

    Although I don't wear them unbottoned without rolling them up, I think if you want to leave sleeve buttons undone, good on ya. [​IMG]



    Look, all that's well and good. De gustibus non est disputandum, etc. etc.


    This conversation started, remember, because one person here asked everyone else for their opinions. And--surprise--they all gave them. Some of them harshly.

    I guess my point is, if you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular clothing or dressing choice, don't ask! Or if you do ask, be prepared for some negative responses, since there are two sides to every issue. But to ask, then say, hey, it's my perogative, is a little rich. Of course it is. But when you invite people to comment on your perogatives, expect to get comments.

    I own two pairs of Sandro Moscoloni black leather slip-on ankle boots with rubber soles. I wear them when it rains. They're comfortable. I kind of like them, esp. because I paid $30 for them. When the soles wear through, I'll throw them out. But I don't post pictures of them on this message board, ask for people's opinions, and then get huffy when they don't like my choice of footwear (actually, I've never posted a picture of my own shoes here...). I just keep them to myself. Well, until now. [​IMG]
     
  12. Kai

    Kai Senior member

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    Tacky.

    No.

    95% of people won't care, and the ones that do will think it looks retarded.

    Personal opinion.



    +1
     
  13. Tuerney1

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    Look, all that's well and good. De gustibus non est disputandum, etc. etc. This conversation started, remember, because one person here asked everyone else for their opinions. And--surprise--they all gave them. Some of them harshly. I guess my point is, if you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular clothing or dressing choice, don't ask!
    I'm not sure if you quoted the right person or not, because I don't recall expressing surprise over anyone's opinion nor suggesting that they not give them. I was just commenting upon some of those opinions... [​IMG] If you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular opinion, don't post it! [​IMG] Edit: I'm just joking around, in case that wasn't too clear. Ever since I gave up coffee.... [​IMG]
     
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    I'm not sure if you quoted the right person or not, because I don't recall expressing surprise over anyone's opinion nor suggesting that they not give them. I was just commenting upon some of those opinions... [​IMG]

    If you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular opinion, don't post it! [​IMG]

    Edit: I'm just joking around, in case that wasn't too clear. Ever since I gave up coffee.... [​IMG]


    I think I meant to reply to the same person you replied to. And I've had three cups today...
     
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    I recall having dinner at Le Cirque 2000, when they were in the Palace. A friend of mine looked across the dining room and mentioned that an otherwise well-dressed man had a button missing from the sleeve of his jacket. I chuckled and explained what that was really all about.
     

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