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I think I like Belgian beer

skalogre

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Originally Posted by Kent Wang
What's it like to live in the best beer producing country in the world? Every time you go to the store do you have a chuckle at the silly American and British attempts at brewing?

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I would have had a permanently full bladder if I lived over there, seriously...
 

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Right, I just had to post this... my local shop managed to bring in a few bottles of Cantillon Lou Pepe Kriek (2003)! I have one here (last one they had, plus it was not cheap - $23 something before tax). Never tried it before. I also snagged two bottles of Cantillon Organic Gueze (never tried the organic version).

DAMN. I cannot wait.
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Originally Posted by Kent Wang
A particularly good value for those in the US are ales from Ommegang, a Belgian-style brewery in Cooperstown NY. They're about 20% cheaper than the standard Trappists.

Kent,

I went to my local beer store and got a case of 24. It's about half the price for the case of Chimay. I LIKE it. similar alcohol content at 8.5%. Not quite as complex in flavor as the Chimay, but real real close. The bitterness is just a bit more pronounced. Overall, I think I can live with it.

I'm going to store my Chimay, age it a bit. Skagore, how long would you recommend I let my Chimay sit? (in the garage, where ambient temps should be about 50-60F around this time)
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
Kent,

I went to my local beer store and got a case of 24. It's about half the price for the case of Chimay. I LIKE it. similar alcohol content at 8.5%. Not quite as complex in flavor as the Chimay, but real real close. The bitterness is just a bit more pronounced. Overall, I think I can live with it.

I'm going to store my Chimay, age it a bit. Skagore, how long would you recommend I let my Chimay sit? (in the garage, where ambient temps should be about 50-60F around this time)


You could leave it for quite some time. These bottle fermented ales are still living and evolving. Just remember to store them upright, unlike wines.
 

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I was snooping around some online beer retailers, and some carry Chimays from the mid 90's. I know I'm not disciplined enough to have beer sitting around for 10+ years without feeling the need to sneak a sip once in a while.
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
I was snooping around some online beer retailers, and some carry Chimays from the mid 90's. I know I'm not disciplined enough to have beer sitting around for 10+ years without feeling the need to sneak a sip once in a while.

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I know what you mean.
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
I was snooping around some online beer retailers, and some carry Chimays from the mid 90's. I know I'm not disciplined enough to have beer sitting around for 10+ years without feeling the need to sneak a sip once in a while.


Strange, from what I know, beer isn't stored, not overhere altough.

Skalogre- You can still find Rodenbach in shops. BTW, did you know we make some tasty " carbonades flamandes" with it?

We also have an saying: "it's better to have wine after beer than beer after wine".
Explanation: Beer was the poor men's wine
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Originally Posted by dave023
Strange, from what I know, beer isn't stored, not overhere altough.

Skalogre- You can still find Rodenbach in shops. BTW, did you know we make some tasty " carbonades flamandes" with it?

We also have an saying: "it's better to have wine after beer than beer after wine".
Explanation: Beer was the poor men's wine
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I vaguely remember reading somewhere about "carbonades flamandes"
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
I was snooping around some online beer retailers, and some carry Chimays from the mid 90's. I know I'm not disciplined enough to have beer sitting around for 10+ years without feeling the need to sneak a sip once in a while.

I was in Brussels a few weeks ago and picked up a few bottles of Chimay Grande Reserve 2001. Had one last week... amazing. I'd never seen it in the States before.

On a more accessible note, every autumn Trader Joe's has a 'vintage ale' - large bottle, Belgian style, etc. It's quite delicious for the price and availability. They suggest aging them for a year or two but thus far I've only been able to age about six months before cracking them open.
 

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Favorites are:

Fantome Saison, McChouffe, de Ranke XX Bitter, Fantome Brise Bonbons (what a name). The de Ranke is really the best in my opinion, especially when you get to have it on tap. Outstanding.
 

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Originally Posted by pscolari
Favorites are: Fantome Saison, McChouffe, de Ranke XX Bitter, Fantome Brise Bonbons (what a name). The de Ranke is really the best in my opinion, especially when you get to have it on tap. Outstanding.
Wow... it has been years, I completely forgot about Fantome! P.s. quick update: the Cantillon Lou Pepe was OUTSTANDING (IMHO of course)
 

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Originally Posted by Spencer Young
I was in Brussels a few weeks ago and picked up a few bottles of Chimay Grande Reserve 2001. Had one last week... amazing. I'd never seen it in the States before.
Yep, I picked one up when I was in Antwerp in '03. I still use the bottle as a candle holder :). BTW, I have consistently found Belgian beer to taste much better... well, in Belgium (or in Holland). I asked a beer store owner from whom I was buying the Chimay, and he said that the FDA requires beer exporters to kill the organic fermenting agents that give much of the taste to the beer. Don't know how true that is, but it made sense to me. BTW, I really don't like the Rochefort 10, I thought it was too bitter. My absolute fave is Westmalle Dubbel, but I also like Chimay Blue, Chimay Cinqe Cents, and Affligem. For simpler stuff, I like Leffe Bruin and Hoegaarden. I am not a big fan of Duvel. And I know it's a sin, but I think Corsendonk is good. On a side note - Chimay cheeses are awesome!
 

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Originally Posted by faust
Yep, I picked one up when I was in Antwerp in '03. I still use the bottle as a candle holder :). BTW, I have consistently found Belgian beer to taste much better... well, in Belgium (or in Holland). I asked a beer store owner from whom I was buying the Chimay, and he said that the FDA requires beer exporters to kill the organic fermenting agents that give much of the taste to the beer. Don't know how true that is, but it made sense to me. BTW, I really don't like the Rochefort 10, I thought it was too bitter. My absolute fave is Westmalle Dubbel, but I also like Chimay Blue, Chimay Cinqe Cents, and Affligem. For simpler stuff, I like Leffe Bruin and Hoegaarden. I am not a big fan of Duvel. And I know it's a sin, but I think Corsendonk is good. On a side note - Chimay cheeses are awesome!
I don't think the whole killing the yeast is true (as homebrewers here in the USA are known to cull yeast from various Belgian beers for their own purposes) but IMHO the taste difference may have to do with the way the beer is stored and transported... On the cheese, thankfully igourmet.com stocks a few Chimay cheeses. Naturally I love the beer-washed Chimay Trappiste
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If the 10 was too bitter, try the 6. It is lighter, sort of more like Corsendonk in character if I remember correctly (ie more like a dubbel than a heavy duty "brandy beer" like 10). Unless I am confusing it with the 8 but I think that is correct. I have actually come to appreciate Duvel with fish & chips (a local bar makes f&c and serves Duvel so I have sort of connected them) - seems to go really well. It is based on a Scotch yeast strain after all, heh. But I rarely drink it otherwise.
 

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Originally Posted by skalogre
I don't think the whole killing the yeast is true (as homebrewers here in the USA are known to cull yeast from various Belgian beers for their own purposes) but IMHO the taste difference may have to do with the way the beer is stored and transported... On the cheese, thankfully igourmet.com stocks a few Chimay cheeses. Naturally I love the beer-washed Chimay Trappiste
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If the 10 was too bitter, try the 6. It is lighter, sort of more like Corsendonk in character if I remember correctly (ie more like a dubbel than a heavy duty "brandy beer" like 10). Unless I am confusing it with the 8 but I think that is correct. I have actually come to appreciate Duvel with fish & chips (a local bar makes f&c and serves Duvel so I have sort of connected them) - seems to go really well. It is based on a Scotch yeast strain after all, heh. But I rarely drink it otherwise.

I've tried the 8, and it was more palatable, so I think the 6 should be just right for my taste, thanks.
 

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