hipster explanation needed

[Schpacko]

Originally Posted by hamish5178

so that you die.

watch out, hipster.

 

[ctrlaltelite]

from a previous post:

Originally Posted by ctrlaltelite

at its core, hipsters are jazz aficionados. you want a true hipster? tom waits. it wasn't until the late 90's when tobacco companies began to take notice of a burgeoning subculture among the sought-after 18-25 demographic that increasingly involved around watching non-mainstream bands and fetishizing thrift stores, irony, nostalgia, and gentrification. the adoption of a hodgepodge of subcultures, self-hate, and marketing asshats/white people's overarching need to "label" things they don't fully understand eventually led to the modern usage of this stupid blanket term. the 70's/80's had "punks" the 90's had "indie kids" who begat "emo kids" then "scenesters" and now "hipster" is the jargon of choice for old people who don't get it and ignorant people who don't know any better.
1. http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/19/3/213.abstract 2. http://tobaccofreedom.org/issues/doc...end/index.html

Originally Posted by Camel

Where are some of the most important trends started and who are the people that launch them? The answer is simple: trendy nightclubs and restaurants, hip retail stores, coffee houses and cafe's and the hip patrons that frequent them. These "hipsters" entire social lives revolve around nightclubs, cafes, fashion and music. Every day these trendsetters ride the wave on the crest of cool. These are the people who start the trends. Music and fashion, amongst other trends, are made or broken by these few select people. Camel's goal of Trend Influence Marketing is to attract and convert smokers in the trend-setting urban scene.

 

[ctrlaltelite]

Originally Posted by puddin

in 6 months urban outfitters will have a knock off version.

too late: http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban...ULTS&color=004

 

[Cool The Kid]

Surprisingly good thread, though I think this nails it:

Originally Posted by A Fellow Linguist

Holy ****, an intelligent post on SF from someone who isn't Fuuma.

Although, a lot of the things that hipsters re-appropriate are things that were never considered "cool" (despite their status of authenticity) even when/if the were popular. i.e. bicycles, bow ties, jorts, etc. Every subculture re appropriates bits of culture to some degree, but for hipsters it's a subversive show of power to make cool something that never had a popular appeal in the first place. By taking something that's not cool in the first place they show a rejection of mainstream values, but by turning it into a symbol of the "in group" the value of that symbol completely changes. This aggregation of trends and non-trends is like a meta analysis of past subcultures, which is kind of funny considering meta analysis is in a way a trend itself.

You look in the belly of the Williamsburg beast and you see this. Nearly every discernible attribute of the avg Billyburg hipster speaks to this- the awful, awful facial hair; the girls in nipple high mom jeans, mumus, MC Hammer pants and other terrible but instantly recognizable and long forgotten clothing choices, etc. Well I shouldn't say every discernible attribute.

On one side there is the embracing of the uncool as something that identifies them; however on the flip side there is a strict adherence to things that are considered necessary for living- Apple products, organic food, NYT, strange music & forcibly creative social events (i.e. a flamingo pink party or Idiotarod). So to that end there's a lot of rigid conformity that seems to fly in the face of the end goal of hipsters wanting to be counter culture.

And then finally there's the kind of juvenile aspect of it all... the embracing of bikes + games like bicycle polo, and just the attitudes and seemingly doe eyed naivete of hipsters I've met. Like for example some friends of mine went down to Coney Island (an amusement park) for a friend's bday, but the whole thing felt like we were in high school. There was just a very juvenile element to it.

So I think those three things (bringing once dead identifiers back to the forefront in irony; adherence to the base standards of hipster quality of life; juvenile attitude? maybe just the first two) are what define hipsterdom.

Originally Posted by KitAkira

lol since when are hipsters wearing actual designer ****? That wouldn't be ironic. Knockoff designer good from UO is ironic and 100% hipster approved.

PS: buttman is a hipster
There's a whole subclass or break off group of really rich kids who choose to live among hipsters and adopt the hipster aesthetic. I think they might outnumber actual "hipsters" in NYC as I know "real hipsters" can't afford to live in Williamsburg or eat at some of the restaurants I see these people at. It's the difference between a dude in a Hanes V neck and thrift store Levis and a dude in a (insert expensive t shirt here) and some $400 raw jeans. The two groups don't mix beyond having the same aesthetic + frequenting some of the same bars + events...

Though I guess there are some overlaps in the people who move to somewhere like Ridgewood on their parents' dime.

IDK. I used to look at it all with admiration but it all seems a little silly now after having dated some of the women. Too complicated

 

[wogbog]

Originally Posted by alex-san

chop it up to hard to explain but you know them when you see them. santa monica + venice beach = hipster mecca
Those almost all look like normal people lol

 

[XenoX101]

On hipster youtube videos, this one works well to epitomize the hipster.
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[ctrlaltelite]

NYT on retiring usage of the word "hipster"

Originally Posted by New York Times

We try hard to shed our old image as stodgy and out of it. Perhaps too hard, sometimes.

How else to explain our constant invocation of the old/new slang “hipster”? As a colleague pointed out, we’ve used it more than 250 times in the past year.

The word is not new, of course. The O.E.D. dates it to the 1940s and helpfully equates it with “hepcat.” American Heritage offers this quaint definition: One who is exceptionally aware of or interested in the latest trends and tastes, especially a devotee of modern jazz.

Our latest infatuation with “hipster” seems to go back several years, perhaps coinciding in part with the flourishing of more colloquial (and hipper) blogs on our Web site. In 1990 we used the word just 19 times. That number rose gradually to about 100 by 2000, then exploded to 250 or so uses a year from 2005 on.

Then there’s the Brooklyn connection: our archive confirms that Kings County is the very center of hipsterdom. Ninety-six Times pieces in the past year that included the word “hipster” also mentioned Brooklyn, edging out even once-hip Manhattan, which had 87 overlapping mentions. Queens trailed badly with 33, while the Bronx merited only a handful and Staten Island just two.

In any case, hipster’s second life as hip slang seems to have lost its freshness. And with so many appearances, I’m not sure how precise a meaning it conveys. It may still be useful occasionally, but let’s look for alternatives and try to give it some rest.

http://topics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...-is-hip-again/

 

[dwyhajlo]

Originally Posted by Fuuma

Occupying a vaguely zone in the cultural space isn't the same as not being there. Maybe it's like pornography, you know one when you see one?

I mean we see some (clothed) girl walking around, popping balloons or crushing small animals with styletto heels and, if we're aware of certain proclivities, we know it is porno. It doesn't have much in common with beach blondes with fake **** making weird "people from outer space *******" noises.

What I mean is that the term is so vague that it's become almost meaningless. So many of the traits that defined what a hipster was throughout the 2000s have become so closely tied with youth culture in general that the term has lost most of if not all of its value as an accurate descriptor. And if the term is so easily robbed of its "true" meaning, then was it even useful to begin with?
It all sort of feels like a "white people do this, but black people do this" sort of thing (except substitute hipster and uh not-hipster), you know?

I'm not sure if we're talking past each other.

 

[JesseJB]

After years on SF, I lump hipsters in with the rest of the misguided masses like I would mall goths or ska kids. Under the ironic vaneer there is absolutely no substance, personality or perspective.

 

[Butter]

Hipsters to me seem like the mature version of emo.

Like, they're older now, so they cry less and aren't as emotional.

In terms of clothing fit, they seem pretty close in regards to tightness. But they wear more retro patterns and colors instead of the loud emo stuff.

 

[jaychiz]

hipsters are people that are so cool they make you feel awkward

emo is the most overused valueless word since metrosexual

 

[brad-t]

**** this is a dumb thread

 

[James_M]

**** stop reading it then

 

[wogbog]

Originally Posted by XenoX101

On hipster youtube videos, this one works well to epitomize the hipster.

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"vinyls"

 

[Lane]

Originally Posted by Butter

Hipsters to me seem like the mature version of emo.

Like, they're older now, so they cry less and aren't as emotional.

In terms of clothing fit, they seem pretty close in regards to tightness. But they wear more retro patterns and colors instead of the loud emo stuff.

lol wtf are you on