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Going childless in the U.S.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Connemara, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. jase12

    jase12 Senior member

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    So having children is selfish? [​IMG]

    in a way yes. people don't have kids grudgling because they feel its their duty to the country, human race or whatever. people have kids so they can dress them up and teach them football etc etc. but if the product of that selfishness is a wel rounded addition to society then thats a pretty good side effect, and as that quote says, another welcome side effect could be making yourself a better person. pretty much a win win in my book
     
  2. kwilkinson

    kwilkinson Senior member

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    in a way yes. people don't have kids grudgling because they feel its their duty to the country, human race or whatever. people have kids so they can dress them up and teach them football etc etc. but if the product of that selfishness is a wel rounded addition to society then thats a pretty good side effect, and as that quote says, another welcome side effect could be making yourself a better person. pretty much a win win in my book

    Wow, you're nuts.
     
  3. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    Perhaps I'll do it as a test of reason. I have concluded (rationally, IMO) that having children is a net negative. Fuck emotions! I will turn them off with the power of rational thought. [​IMG] Does this make me a robot whore?
     
  4. kwilkinson

    kwilkinson Senior member

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    Perhaps I'll do it as a test of reason. I have concluded (rationally, IMO) that having children is a net negative. Fuck emotions! I will turn them off with the power of rational thought.

    Does this make me a robot whore?


    Stop trying to make excuses to mask the fact that you can't get laid.
     
  5. jase12

    jase12 Senior member

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    Wow, you're nuts.

    [​IMG] how so?
     
  6. SField

    SField Senior member

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    If only! The only thing worse than the economic state in the etats-unis is the youth's intellectual state.

    God, what an unpleasant generation.


    Well I think the millenials will probably be, by far, the best educated generation and are defying the grim expectations that have been put in front of them. I think they may turn out to be another great generation.
     
  7. summej2

    summej2 Senior member

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    Living in DC, I suspect probably half or more of the couples in our neighborhood that are 30+ have no children (us included). That isn't the case in more suburban areas of the city or in VA.

    In any case, that statistic of 20% doesn't seem entirely implausible.
     
  8. kwilkinson

    kwilkinson Senior member

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    [​IMG] how so?

    Cuz makin babies is fer perpetuatin da human race, playa. Ain't nuttin selfish bout it.
     
  9. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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    I've taken care of people all my life, since 14 or so (at a low level then, and increasing constantly, recently come down from an incredibly high peak). I'm not married, no prospects at present. I do not particularly have any desire to have kids because I am tired of taking care of people; besides there's almost zero likelihood that I would have a child before 30. I missed a lot of life and want to have some fun for a time, preferably with a like-minded woman. Fun, for me, is defined as not constantly having to plan around another who cannot care for themself.

    The only real reasons I would consider kids is if I find someone special who has a child, or if we decided to adopt. Both of those options would have the full depth of my soul behind them. There are so many needy kids out there, and so many parents having 5+ kids; the disparity makes it seem heartless to have children of my 'own,' though I in no way intend that to be a criticism of others' choices.

    ~ Huntsman
     
  10. longskate88

    longskate88 Senior member

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    I plan to do it myself, hopefully the gf doesn't change her mind later on. She says she dislikes kids as much as I do, but everyone keeps saying "That'll change when you're older."

    Anyone go from NOT wanting kids in their younger days, to wanting them in their mid-life?
     
  11. SField

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    Contrast that with some countries in eastern europe. This summer I was in a few countries including Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary. I have never, ever seen so many strollers in my life.
     
  12. jase12

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    Cuz makin babies is fer perpetuatin da human race, playa. Ain't nuttin selfish bout it.

    yep im sure thats what goes through everyones say when they are trying to have kids.

    " honey, you know we really should start thinking about doing our part for the human race and making sure we don't get close to extinction.'

    rather than

    'aww babies are so cute i love you lets have one'
     
  13. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    Cuz makin babies is fer perpetuatin da human race, playa. Ain't nuttin selfish bout it.
    Um, no. Not anymore.
     
  14. globetrotter

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    I am very happy having kids. I can understand why one might not want to have them. I ahve a few friends who don't, and don't plan on it.
     
  15. kwilkinson

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    Um, no. Not anymore.

    On an evolutionary, instinctive level, that's all it ever was. Besides, none of this affects you.
     
  16. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    On an evolutionary, instinctive level, that's all it ever was. Besides, none of this affects you.
    Whiny, snot-filled, shrieking children affect my sanity.
     
  17. zippyh

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    Been married 21 years and no children. Never any desire to have any.
    My wife is more anti-child than I.
    Actually it's not that she dislikes children so much as the dipshits who can't imagine that a woman wouldn't want to become a mommy.
     
  18. Jumbie

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    Whiny, snot-filled, shrieking children affect my sanity.

    + 1,000,000,000,000

    Every time I hear kids running down the hall in the shithole apartment I live in or screaming in the parking lot outside, it reinforces my desire not to have any.
     
  19. AintDatRite

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    I come from a rather large family with 8 siblings; I nor my siblings followed in our parents footsteps, except one brother. I have one brother that has his own little herd of children. Two of my sisters have two children each. I guess I'm selfish; I decided long ago that I dont want the hassle of children. My brother made the same decision early in his marriage but he told his wife she could have children, IF she really wanted. He said he would be the 'perfect parent' in public but she would have to raise the kids. He said he would prefer to send them to a boarding school until they were 18. For those reasons, she made the decision to not have kids; when they divorced, she did have a daughter with her new husband and spoiled the hell out of that kid. Her daugher had a 1500 ft² 'life size' doll house in the backyard which most people might consider a guest house.... however, they built it as a playhouse for their daughter.

    I tend to piss off a few people because I dont believe you should have children unless you can afford them. Parents should be able to afford to pay ALL of a child's expenses: medical/dental, education, clothing, food, etc.. I believe parents should have to pay 100% of the expenses of educating their children; I dont believe taxpayers should get stuck with the bill for educating other's children.

    If you can't feed 'em, dont breed 'em™

    In my opinion, a good minimum 'income' for a single person is $60K; a couple should earn a minimum of $90K. For the first child, add another $10K.... each additional child, add $30K. Therefore, most American couples cannot afford to have children... and shouldn't. Yeah yeah... children bring great joy and are worth every expense. blah blah blah. If you have to go into debt (ie: credit cards) to buy your children clothes.... you cant afford them (the clothes or the children).
     
  20. SField

    SField Senior member

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    I come from a rather large family with 8 siblings; I nor my siblings followed in our parents footsteps, except one brother. I have one brother that has his own little herd of children. Two of my sisters have two children each. I guess I'm selfish; I decided long ago that I dont want the hassle of children. My brother made the same decision early in his marriage but he told his wife she could have children, IF she really wanted. He said he would be the 'perfect parent' in public but she would have to raise the kids. He said he would prefer to send them to a boarding school until they were 18. For those reasons, she made the decision to not have kids; when they divorced, she did have a daughter with her new husband and spoiled the hell out of that kid. Her daugher had a 1500 ft² 'life size' doll house in the backyard which most people might consider a guest house.... however, they built it as a playhouse for their daughter.

    I tend to piss off a few people because I dont believe you should have children unless you can afford them. Parents should be able to afford to pay ALL of a child's expenses: medical/dental, education, clothing, food, etc.. I believe parents should have to pay 100% of the expenses of educating their children; I dont believe taxpayers should get stuck with the bill for educating other's children.

    If you can't feed 'em, dont breed 'emâ„¢

    In my opinion, a good minimum 'income' for a single person is $60K; a couple should earn a minimum of $90K. For the first child, add another $10K.... each additional child, add $30K. Therefore, most American couples cannot afford to have children... and shouldn't. Yeah yeah... children bring great joy and are worth every expense. blah blah blah. If you have to go into debt (ie: credit cards) to buy your children clothes.... you cant afford them (the clothes or the children).


    It can be enormously expensive to raise a child. I've heard the figure to be as high as 1 million if private school is intended and a good college education.
     

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