Game player?

[Britalian]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

There are plenty, they just aren't on this board - they are off playing WoW and drinking Zima all weekend.

sounds even more riveting than this.

 

[Manny Calavera]

Almost as riveting as sitting on an internet message board and mocking something you're too narrow-minded to comprehend.

 

[Miguel Antonio]

I want to mention some points that undermine this "game as art" argument:

1. Nonlinearity and Interactivity.
Serious art is linear and non-interactive. The autor is superior to the spectator.
In video games this hierarchy is leveled, as the player is a co-creator of his
own fantasy world.

3. Social perception.
Video games have a negative social reputation. It is considered the past
time of ill-behaved children. And it is a fact that people of the lowest
economic levels are the one's that play more videogames.

2. Replayability Value.
Video games made in the past few years don't work with current hardware.

 

[Manny Calavera]

Originally Posted by Miguel Antonio

I want to mention some points that undermine this "game as art" argument:

1. Nonlinearity and Interactivity.
Serious art is linear and non-interactive. The autor is superior to the spectator.
In video games this hierarchy is leveled, as the player is a co-creator of his
own fantasy world.

3. Social perception.
Video games have a negative social reputation. It is considered the past
time of ill-behaved children. And it is a fact that people of the lowest
economic levels are the one's that play more videogames.

2. Replayability Value.
Video games made in the past few years don't work with current hardware.

1. That's debatable and a contrived Ebertian definition that has been discredited several times now.

2. The negative social reputation must be held within your close-knit group because I'm not exposed to this, even at the academic level. Your economic connection is again, not only fabricated, but I have a lot of anecdotal evidence saying otherwise, as I do not know of a more expensive mainstream hobby within the means of the middle to middle-upper class outside of audiophile endeavors.

3. Everything is backwards compatible and we're seeing more and more re-releases via digital distribution. Cinema such as Histoire(s) du Cinema and Berlin Alexanderplatz did not see releases on the relevant medium until this year. I think format has little to do with legitimacy.

 

[Britalian]

Originally Posted by jonglover

Almost as riveting as sitting on an internet message board and mocking something you're too narrow-minded to comprehend.

the Art Of Self-Deprecation ain't been released yet, then... Must be ironing out some technical problems.

 

[Miguel Antonio]

jonglover said:

1. That's debatable and a contrived Ebertian definition that has been discredited several times now.

Point me to some sources please. As far as I'm concerned video games are
essentially different from mainstream art forms, and the main reasons are
those I mentioned interactivity and nonlinearity. There are some art forms
that are including those, however they are not considered video games.

jonglover said:

2. The negative social reputation must be held within your close-knit group because I'm not exposed to this, even at the academic level. Your economic connection is again, not only fabricated, but I have a lot of anecdotal evidence saying otherwise, as I do not know of a more expensive mainstream hobby within the means of the middle to middle-upper class outside of audiophile endeavors.

Let me point you to this source:
http://gamestudies.org/0601/articles/cover

Not only are video games suffering from bad reputation in wise and cultured adults, but also in psychology literature because of addiction issues.

jonglover said:

3. Everything is backwards compatible and we're seeing more and more re-releases via digital distribution. Cinema such as Histoire(s) du Cinema and Berlin Alexanderplatz did not see releases on the relevant medium until this year. I think format has little to do with legitimacy.

A ps3 video game doesn't work in a XBOX 360, you have to buy a new one for that. And if you try to make work a NES cartridge in a ps3 you are in for trouble. So I think the compatibility problem is not completely solved. And this has a lot to do with the legitimacy of a medium.

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Originally Posted by Miguel Antonio

A ps3 video game doesn't work in a XBOX 360, you have to buy a new one for that. And if you try to make work a NES castridge in a ps3 you are in for trouble. So I think the compatibility problem is not completely solved. And this has a lot to do with the legitimacy of a medium.
PS3 to Xbox 360 is not a "backwards compatibility" issue. It is a formatting issue. You cannot put a cassette tape into a CD player. You cannot put a roll of film into a VHS or DVD player. That doesn't mean that the Music or Cinema contained on the format isn't art. You can put a PS1 or PS2 game into a PS3 and it will work. You can put some Xbox games into an Xbox 360 and it will work. You can download many classic Nintendo games for the Wii and play them.