Drape tutorial?

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

If you don't believe these circles exist then I dont see the point in pursuing the concept.

I don't believe I've ever questioned whether such circles exist, I just question whether they function in the manner you suggest. If anything, I think you're giving far too much credit to the American clothing industry. It's not there to propogate good taste, but to sell stuff.

I do think there's some give and take between consumer, retailer and wholesaler etc... After several years of experimenting and looking ridiculous, Americans will crave more structure which will put pressure on buyers.

Yes, and a few years after that, the pendulum will swing again. Always something new.

I imagine some people who count are buying Tom Ford maybe more for casual or in more fashion forward industries?

Yes, I agree with this as well. But it's a far cry from suggesting Tom Ford is taking his cues from those people.

Part of the dissipation of the Ivy Tribalism is complex and I think there are both venn circles and concentric circles. Maybe one working model of a properly dressed person with panache is one that is both accepted amongst as many venn circles as possible and is also advanced concentrically.

I'm with you on this as well, though I'm not quite sure what you mean by "advanced concentrically."

No argument, just a good natured discussion.

Fair enough. It's been interesting, FNB.

 

[grimslade]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

At this point, I don't think you're arguing with me at all.

You're learning, young padawan.

 

[binge]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

The influential:

That's your pick for influential? Wealthy and talented for sure, but influential in 2009? How influential, currently, really? No one is rolling-out "Google-killer" business plans...the dumb, and easily influenced, are still chasing the "social networking" trends of the past few years. What are Page & Brin influencing that dozens other other super-wealthy tech founders aren't?

 

[Despos]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

If this thread continues for eight more pages, I blame you.

If this thread continues for eight more pages, I blame you.

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by Despos

If this thread continues for eight more pages, I blame you.

I'm only getting warmed up.

 

[Despos]

^
Carry on

 

[Film Noir Buff]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

I don't believe I've ever questioned whether such circles exist, I just question whether they function in the manner you suggest. If anything, I think you're giving far too much credit to the American clothing industry. It's not there to propogate good taste, but to sell stuff.
I don't know that this is the way they function either. They may function in a different way or in several. They are like Dinosaur skeletons, we may not know exactly how they were pieced together or what their skins looked like but we know that they existed. This is more of a market theory than a clothing theory. I have no doubt that you can get American men to buy any slop. I have seen some of the cloth purchases around by amateur designers and the results are nothing short of theatrical. As a Film Noir Buff, I assure you I appreciate them for what they are.

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Yes, and a few years after that, the pendulum will swing again. Always something new.
Well, that's America for you, it finds its median through extremes.

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Yes, I agree with this as well. But it's a far cry from suggesting Tom Ford is taking his cues from those people.
He was one of the first designers to give the mainstream a feeling that they were rockstars. I think you can learn from all sorts of sources. The question is are you afraid that exposure leads to contamination?

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

I'm with you on this as well, though I'm not quite sure what you mean by "advanced concentrically."
That you are taking it to the next level within your own circle. For example, in your social set, everyone wears a pocket square, you might put yours in your pocket differently or wear a flower as well.

 

[constant struggle]

does anyone have the idea of drape applied to their shirting?

 

[ohm]

Originally Posted by constant struggle

does anyone have the idea of drape applied to their shirting?

You can't see that portion of the shirt under the jacket.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by constant struggle

does anyone have the idea of drape applied to their shirting?

Apples and oranges.

 

[Despos]

Originally Posted by constant struggle

does anyone have the idea of drape applied to their shirting?

Originally Posted by ohm

You can't see that portion of the shirt under the jacket.

Originally Posted by Manton

Apples and oranges.

What about office pants?

 

[sho'nuff]

i still dont get it.

can someone just put it in a succint nutshell and tell me what the drape is all about??

 

[Gutman]

Basically, it's just a softer fall of the fabric around the chest - close fitting but loose at the same time. In other words, a contoured shape with the impression of moulded compound curves in the jacket. Looks a little less structured or stiff than other styles.

It's a lot of talk about very little. Drape doesn't do much for a poor physique - you give the frame to the jacket, rather than the jacket giving some framing to you

I've only had one jacket with something of a drape, and it was very nice soft dark brown Harris Tweed with overcheck, but a little too short for me overall so I ditched it. Shame.

If anyone can give a better explanation I would like to hear it though - seems to be a fair bit of snobbish preference for the approach of certain tailors. Nice if you can afford that, but really an irrelevancy for most of us (sadly). A good fit is far more important.

 

[sho'nuff]

Originally Posted by Gutman

Basically, it's just a softer fall of the fabric around the chest - close fitting but loose at the same time. In other words, a contoured shape with the impression of moulded compound curves in the jacket. Looks a little less structured or stiff than other styles.

It's a lot of talk about very little. Drape doesn't do much for a poor physique - you give the frame to the jacket, rather than the jacket giving some framing to you

I've only had one jacket with something of a drape, and it was very nice soft dark brown Harris Tweed with overcheck, but a little too short for me overall so I ditched it. Shame.

If anyone can give a better explanation I would like to hear it though - seems to be a fair bit of snobbish preference for the approach of certain tailors. Nice if you can afford that, but really an irrelevancy for most of us (sadly). A good fit is far more important.
thanks. but also there seems to be some sort of stigma related to that word here. like some running joke or something.

is it akin to the current 'office pants' phenomenon??

 

[Manton]

There is no stigma. Thee is just FNB's obsession with anything he considers a favorite of his e-enemies.