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I really enjoyed reading about James Forman's overalls on NMWA @gdl203. It was history, activism, and fashion rolled into one. There's been very little escape from the pain and sadness of recent events. That's not a bad thing, not being able to escape forces reflection and the shedding of ignorance. You can't have unity without empathy. But it is also heavy on the heart and there are moments when you want to read something lighter. It's phenomenal content and worth a read.
 

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I really enjoyed reading about James Forman's overalls on NMWA @gdl203. It was history, activism, and fashion rolled into one. There's been very little escape from the pain and sadness of recent events. That's not a bad thing, not being able to escape forces reflection and the shedding of ignorance. You can't have unity without empathy. But it is also heavy on the heart and there are moments when you want to read something lighter. It's phenomenal content and worth a read.
Thanks. I’ve always liked that piece by Melvin. It seemed like a good week to republish it.
 

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Been studying up on the upcoming changes to thew old NAFTA agreement. This is dumb, but each country in the agreement calls it something different in their country.

Mexico? "T-MEC".
USA? "USMCA".
Canada? "CUSMA".

It appears that this agreement is getting rammed through as one party in particular has an upcoming election where it was promised that NAFTA would be scrapped.

For apparel a few small changes, but of significance is that Pocket linings and thread need to be whole made in one of the countries in the agreement for apparel to be considered originating inside the trade agreement region. You can have up to 10% of non originating otherwise, but thread and pocket linings.

I'm surprised, it appears that there is a thread and pocket bag lobby somewhere pushing for that.
 

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I'm surprised, it appears that there is a thread and pocket bag lobby somewhere pushing for that.
All it takes is one rich dude with a pocket bag factory and a checkbook.
 

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I'm not sure what you're asking or implying. That globalization isn't nuanced? Or that I support the use of forced Uighur labor?
Yeah I'm saying that the cost/benefit analysis for globalism isn't always complicated.

And we should be awfully suspicious when the complications provide cover for internationalist billionaires.

I think it's pretty simple here.
 

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And i understand the argument that sweatshop labor may actually be preferable to subsistence farming, and it's the first step towards modernizing rural communities in southeast Asia.

It's one I used myself as a younger, libertarian-leaning entrepreneur.

But I don't find it that compelling any more.
 

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Yeah I'm saying that the cost/benefit analysis for globalism isn't always complicated.

And we should be awfully suspicious when the complications provide cover for internationalist billionaires.

I think it's pretty simple here.
I think globalization is quite complicated and anyone who says otherwise -- whether saying globalization is absolutely good or absolutely bad -- is a polemicist.

Chris Blattman, a political economist who studies Africa, did an interesting set of experimental studies on "sweatshop" labor in Africa. You can read his website for articles. Some of it was covered by journalists in the NYT and Vox. I enjoyed this paragraph in the Vox article and wish more popular coverage of this topic was as nuanced.

"So perhaps the most fundamental takeaway is that we need to have a more nuanced picture of globalization’s effect on the global poor. Instead of thinking in binary terms, we need to separate out the ways globalization has benefited the poor versus the way it hurts them.

Something as complicated as globalization is never going to be just good or just bad. We need to divide the good and the bad, and figure out how to address the latter without eliminating the former."



And i understand the argument that sweatshop labor may actually be preferable to subsistence farming, and it's the first step towards modernizing rural communities in southeast Asia.
That's one argument.

There's a UN study that shows how the EU once found that children were forced to make something like soccer balls in Pakistan. When European citizens found out, they demanded that companies pull out of those countries. So they did. A follow-up study found that many of the children went into sex work.

If you care about something like child labor, then you have to have other implements in place, such as funding schools, so children have other opportunities.

It's also very difficult to parse out why some countries are able to reap the benefits of globalization, while others are not. My main work is in researching this topic, and I can tell you it's very complicated.
 

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Sure, I can't disagree with anything substantive you posted.

But I think there are some lines in the sand we can draw.

Nike's been doing this sort of thing for decades.

I don't think anyone who cares about making the world a better place should be buying from Nike right now.

And while globalism exists on a spectrum, I think you can say we've swung too far in one direction.

There's something really wrong with disposable fast fashion. It's bad for workers, it's horrible for the environment, and frankly there's a deep aesthetic wrongness to it. I don't need to have a complex solution ready to be able to conclusively say that.
 

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We all saw the NBA get nuked from a couple social media statements supporting HK. Unsurprising that Nike may be much quieter in their condemnation and may be working more with compliance in their supply chain than political statements. They can tell their suppliers, we need to ensure that this doesn't happen- if you can't we will take the business elsewhere. Patagonia , one of the "good brands" revealed that they found slavery in their supply chain. That happens but the penalty of termination of contracts is real leverage.

It's fucking messy and I don't blame any one for completely boycotting brands for personal reasons.
 

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It's not always messy.

You can find US-made New Balance for $100.

I've been dirt-poor, but still able to come up with $100 for sneakers.

FWIW I think the NBA is awful too, and the NCAA are perhaps the most hysterical hypocrites in all of sports, building a billion dollar empire on the backs of unpaid minorities, most of whom will never have a lucrative professional sports career.

(All of these groups are posting histrionic support for #BlackLivesMatter right now)

I'm far from perfect, but I vote with my dollars where I can.
 

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