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ACL POP-Up Flea Market

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by edubs01, Nov 18, 2009.

  1. mwilliamspr

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    I wasn't there, and I can see how this might be a take away, but I also think that the idea of fashionable expression is pretty broad. The flea was a microcosm, aimed a subset of already likeminded people, who are inclined to a certain aesthetic. As in a any group, there will be some whose takes, or "twists", on the central theme--in this case workwear and Americana--will set them apart, while others will end up more homogenized. This is true for just about any "look" or style, whether it's "trad" or "goth ninja" or surf/skate. The flea is just right on the curve right now, so it's getting lots of play. I'm not trying to argue your point, and I'm not sure I have an answer to your (hypothetical?) questions--just dropping my two cents.


    Really? And you showed up in this thread just to let us know this? I'm sure you're not talking about me, so I don't take offense, but if you've already made up your mind, why are you checking in, anyway? You've done an awesome job w/ ACL and the flea, etc, etc. Why come in here and stir the pot w/ those who happen to not like your steez? You can't win, and you just end up looking like an ass to people like me, who happen to be inclined to like what you do.


    It is fun to stir up this pot because I rarely visit SF (maybe 4 times a year), but you guys live here everyday. Even the haters couldn't stay away from the PUF "” and if you went and didn't expect to see all of the Americana then you clearly have issues.
     
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    I wasn't there, and I can see how this might be a take away, but I also think that the idea of fashionable expression is pretty broad. The flea was a microcosm, aimed a subset of already likeminded people, who are inclined to a certain aesthetic.
    This is a very good point and it makes me realize that my criticism was a little overzealous.
    I spoke briefly with Kirk Bray and it wasn't him.
    The "haters?" Don't write like you're on MySpace. Nothing is more embarrassing than insulting people who endeavor to take an opposite view. You should be flattered that your flea market spurred such discussion. Honestly, that's a compliment. You have people talking. Don't be a sourpuss just because all the conversation isn't glowing.
     
  3. lefty

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    Lighten up, Francis. It was a fine and successful event. I walked away and called a friend at a guy friendly skin care company and told him he should have been there with his product. It was just that seeing so many guys in one place subscribing to the same aesthetic was at first kind of surprising and then simply funny. I thought I had walked into a casting call for the new Gap ads.

    lefty
     
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    The "haters?" Don't write like you're on MySpace. Nothing is more embarrassing than insulting people who endeavor to take an opposite view. You should be flattered that your flea market spurred such discussion. Honestly, that's a compliment. You have people talking. Don't be a sourpuss just because all the conversation isn't glowing.

    My point exactly.

    For what it's worth, had I been able to be in NY, I would have gladly come and supported the event and those who were selling their wares, almost all of whom I happen to like and respect (in theory anyway, I only know a couple of the actual people behind the brands).
     
  5. breakz

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    It is fun to stir up this pot because I rarely visit SF (maybe 4 times a year), but you guys live here everyday. Even the haters couldn't stay away from the PUF — and if you went and didn't expect to see all of the Americana then you clearly have issues.
    Look, congrats on the flea and your new online store. But...this quote is a perfect example of why I don't read your blog anymore. Just some feedback (since you seem so concerned about SF's opinion).
     
  6. mwilliamspr

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    You should be flattered that your flea market spurred such discussion. Honestly, that's a compliment. You have people talking. Don't be a sourpuss just because all the conversation isn't glowing.

    I should be flattered that this conversation is going on? I'm not really. And if people are being critical for legitimate reasons than I would take that, but some of the comments here are just so baseless and inane I can't not chime in.
     
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    I should be flattered that this conversation is going on? I'm not really. And if people are being critical for legitimate reasons than I would take that, but some of the comments here are just so baseless and inane I can't not chime in.

    I didn't realize it was your event. Congratulations on a successful weekend.

    Here's a little business advice - you should just walk away from this thread.

    lefty
     
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    Outside of the stuff that wasn't wolf vs goat that I brought I could see things melting together but I think that was the point that was clearly stated.
    I feel that wolf vs goat is different and we stand out now and the years to come as a brighter side to wearable fashion.

    As far as Michael goes he is a class act and I don't think he ment any harm in what he is said.
    He is a straight arrow and like him or not the guy does good work.
     
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    I wonder what will be after workwear next year?

    Red wings in gq = gig is up
     
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    I think some criticism is for anything. I have always believed that self awareness is one of the most admirable qualities and oftentimes when you deal with things sf related there seems to be an utter lack of irony and self awareness. I love me some good Americana and am all for people being excited about the Made in USA trend and I am big on supporting artisans, but I just as head to toe Armani or head to toe D&G can seem douchey, I also think head to toe Americana can be too costumey. After all people are dressing in the style of the blue collar working man, who only wore these things often times, because they were a) comfortable and work appropriate and b) cheap. The stuff is still comfortable, but seeing as most people who buy the stuff probably work in offices and spend time on e-forums such as this its arguable whether it's work appropriate and it sure as heck ain't cheap. So why dress up like the average working man when you are in fact either a white collar man(i consider a lot of the creative white collar folk too, because they most often work in offices on computers)? Is this world so devoid of masculinity and authenticity that people will pay a premium to pay period dress up? I don't think it's a bad thing, but just something I couldn't help, but think about when I was there.
     
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    I wonder what will be after workwear next year?


    Can we go back to looking like extras from Control?

    I think some criticism is for anything. I have always believed that self awareness is one of the most admirable qualities and oftentimes when you deal with things sf related there seems to be an utter lack of irony and self awareness. I love me some good Americana and am all for people being excited about the Made in USA trend and I am big on supporting artisans, but I just as head to toe Armani or head to toe D&G can seem douchey, I also think head to toe Americana can be too costumey. After all people are dressing in the style of the blue collar working man, who only wore these things often times, because they were a) comfortable and work appropriate and b) cheap. The stuff is still comfortable, but seeing as most people who buy the stuff probably work in offices and spend time on e-forums such as this its arguable whether it's work appropriate and it sure as heck ain't cheap. So why dress up like the average working man when you are in fact either a white collar man(i consider a lot of the creative white collar folk too, because they most often work in offices on computers)? Is this world so devoid of masculinity and authenticity that people will pay a premium to pay period dress up? I don't think it's a bad thing, but just something I couldn't help, but think about when I was there.

    Thread about to take off.

    lefty
     
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    I should be flattered that this conversation is going on? I'm not really. And if people are being critical for legitimate reasons than I would take that, but some of the comments here are just so baseless and inane I can't not chime in.

    I can see why you give an air of arrogance on this thread, and this was after having met you at your booth yesterday! when someone gives you a compliment (as i did yesterday at your booth)...a simple thank you would suffice... commenting back that you have a several hundred thousand hits or whatever blah blah blah hits to your blog or how your blog is superior to others since you now will have a "store" is just not becoming. um, and no...i don't "live" on this message board.
     
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    I wonder what will be after workwear next year?

    Red wings in gq = gig is up


    after workwear will be "prep"
     
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    some of the comments here are just so baseless and inane I can't not chime in.

    Interesting. If I were coming off of what was likely such a fun, successful weekend among friends and colleagues (which mine actually was), I would not have cared a bit about what 'baseless and inane' comments came up on a web forum full of people I didn't know.
     
  15. mwilliamspr

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    I can see why you give an air of arrogance on this thread, and this was after having met you at your booth yesterday! when someone gives you a compliment (as i did yesterday at your booth)...a simple thank you would suffice... commenting back that you have a several hundred thousand hits or whatever blah blah blah hits to your blog or how your blog is superior to others since you now will have a "store" is just not becoming. um, and no...i don't "live" on this message board.

    Was I there for this conversation? So let me get this straight, you complimented me and then I passed you a print out of some google analytics? This sh*t is getting crazy!
     
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    I think some criticism is for anything. I have always believed that self awareness is one of the most admirable qualities and oftentimes when you deal with things sf related there seems to be an utter lack of irony and self awareness. I love me some good Americana and am all for people being excited about the Made in USA trend and I am big on supporting artisans, but I just as head to toe Armani or head to toe D&G can seem douchey, I also think head to toe Americana can be too costumey. After all people are dressing in the style of the blue collar working man, who only wore these things often times, because they were a) comfortable and work appropriate and b) cheap. The stuff is still comfortable, but seeing as most people who buy the stuff probably work in offices and spend time on e-forums such as this its arguable whether it's work appropriate and it sure as heck ain't cheap. So why dress up like the average working man when you are in fact either a white collar man(i consider a lot of the creative white collar folk too, because they most often work in offices on computers)? Is this world so devoid of masculinity and authenticity that people will pay a premium to pay period dress up? I don't think it's a bad thing, but just something I couldn't help, but think about when I was there.

    Most of them probably dreaming of living an 'authentic' life away from their desk job... The Grass is always greener they say
     
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    And to say everyone there looked the same, guess none of you are part of niche groups of interest... Ever been to a hardcore show? 90% of the people are dressed very similarly..
     
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    I swear, there are some people, good people and well intentioned as they may be, who just do not understand the internet.
     
  19. Mauro

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    +1 and I think I am one of those people...lol


    the "prep" thing might be the ticket. The Goat wanted to do that for spring but I shot that down fast.
    Cuba circa 1950's resort is are theme so skinny pant people beware.


    I have to say whether people looked a like or not it's nice to see a group of people looking good and taking pride in their apperence.
     
  20. ruben

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    Everyone was dressed the same. Everyone sold the same thing. Oxford and gingham shirts. Desert boots and wingtips. PBR and Yuengling. What distinguishes Gitman from McNairy from Wolf v. Goat from RRL from J. Crew?

    I think the No Mas stuff is brilliantly done. Billykirk had the best presence, filling custom orders for bracelets and cardcases, doing something more than just giving out beer. "Get Handsome" was a terrible line to market the showcase.

    I'm cynical, but the flea market vended a level of homogeny that is opposite to the goal of fashionable expresion.


    I see where you are coming from, but isn't this the story with every trend?
    There's tons of people doing, and celebrating the same thing both here and on the Men's Clothing side.

    Plus, have any of the people responsible for this whole Americana trend (that's the agreed upon name correct?) ever said or acted like it was something superior to fashion?




    ^ Pix are good.

    Went this afternoon.

    Many beautiful things. Liked Olch & Spade & Hillside ties esp.

    But the earnestness of the Americana style depresses me. There is pleasure in the stuff, and I like the artisanal/USA made focus, but a great earnestness & lack of wit in many of the tastemakers and their adherents. Jack Spade was the exception, but a lonely one.


    This is spot on.

    I have no doubt that there we some people who looked silly at the pop-up-flea-market, just as plenty of the posters here do, just as so many trads on AAAC do.
    It's all about earnestness and the way you carry yourself. It's why everyone loaths that "WASP 101" blog (not to pick on the guy, or encourage the E-pettiness that people engage in, his name just comes up a lot).
    Ultra-expensive throwback workwear targeted at non-working people is ridiculous, but it can stil be cool and good-looking.

    It's also why hate all the broad, snarky criticism that is all over the men's style section of the internet.
    Why is the Styleforum Streetwaer&Denim aesthetic so much better than what these ACL folks wear?
    and why is that any better than what "hipsters" wear?
    and why do they all look so similar to me?

    I wonder what will be after workwear next year?

    Red wings in gq = gig is up


    There's obviously a ton of people just latching on because it's trendy, but I really hope that the people at the center of all this are in it for the long haul, and that they win some converts.

    Isn't that the whole point?
    You buy the quality, USA-made $200 OCBD/chambray/leather-thing because you expect to still be wearing it in ten years, otherwise you'd just get the equivalent from Target for 1/5th the price.

    I know, as someone who works in the skilled trades (and who could probably wear much of this to work without looking out-of-place), there's been a huge uptick in people interested in learning skilled trades, and more appreciation for well-made stuff in general.
    They may be motivated by trends, but all the ones I've met seem since.
     

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