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Sealed with a "Kiss" - Operation Paprika

luk-cha

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apropos;3245379 said:
LC - I really respect your choice of shoe styling and commend you on buying handmade shoes blind over the internet, but seriously, styling issues aside (which are of course a matter of taste), note -

1. the poor alignment relative to each other of the flaps that denote a blucher
2. the broguing pattern is (actually obviously) irregular
3. the shoddy broguing - the holes are not cleanly punched, with material left behind in some of them, and with irregular margins

It is honestly fantastic that these things are handmade in a traditional way, but at the same time being handmade is no excuse for such basic errors, especially when you take into account the premium likely paid for this supposedly inherently superior construction from a man who apparently spent his entire adult life making shoes by hand.

It is moments like this, when respected members on SF lose perspective and - instead of providing intelligent objective criticism - egg on members to make further mistakes, that SF loses whatever little credibility it has left and starts to resemble party night at the frat house.

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so after all this woffle your point is??????????????????????????????
 

luk-cha

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Originally Posted by apropos
Well for starters, to not shoot the messenger.
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well nothing is perfect in life, so these minor little issues that you are stressing on will not affect most of us, plus you are missing the point of the whole OP exercise, i am sure Fritzl will chime in at some point, otherwise see his threads on it or send him a PM
 

DocHolliday

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Originally Posted by apropos
LC - I really respect your choice of shoe styling and commend you on buying handmade shoes blind over the internet, but seriously, styling issues aside (which are of course a matter of taste), note - 1. the poor alignment relative to each other of the flaps that denote a blucher 2. the broguing pattern is (actually obviously) irregular 3. the shoddy broguing - the holes are not cleanly punched, with material left behind in some of them, and with irregular margins It is honestly fantastic that these things are handmade in a traditional way, but at the same time being handmade is no excuse for such basic errors, especially when you take into account the premium likely paid for this supposedly inherently superior construction from a man who apparently spent his entire adult life making shoes by hand. It is moments like this, when respected members on SF lose perspective and - instead of providing intelligent objective criticism - egg on members to make further mistakes, that SF loses whatever little credibility it has left and starts to resemble party night at the frat house.
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I would have to think that anyone who would buy Paprika would buy it for its distinctive quirks, not in spite of them. You can view the lack of refinement as a failing or as an asset, but I would not presume that everyone who likes them is clueless or a lemming.
 

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Originally Posted by luk-cha
so after all this woffle your point is??????????????????????????????

you did read his post correct?

Originally Posted by apropos
.....
teh point
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It is moments like this, when respected members on SF lose perspective and - instead of providing intelligent objective criticism - egg on members to make further mistakes, that SF loses whatever little credibility it has left and starts to resemble party night at the frat house.

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and this one makes me lol
Originally Posted by luk-cha
well nothing is perfect in life, so these minor little issues that you are stressing on will not affect most of us .....
amirite that you and the hk boys get together at the tailors to help each other in fit and minor details to make it 'just so'?

no, these 'details' will not affect 'most' of us, but the graphic details of your photos bring it into strong relief, and as such it is open for discussion.
 

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Originally Posted by apropos
LC - I really respect your choice of shoe styling and commend you on buying handmade shoes blind over the internet, but seriously, styling issues aside (which are of course a matter of taste), note -

1. the poor alignment relative to each other of the flaps that denote a blucher
2. the broguing pattern is (actually obviously) irregular
3. the shoddy broguing - the holes are not cleanly punched, with material left behind in some of them, and with irregular margins

It is honestly fantastic that these things are handmade in a traditional way, but at the same time being handmade is no excuse for such basic errors, especially when you take into account the premium likely paid for this supposedly inherently superior construction from a man who apparently spent his entire adult life making shoes by hand.

It is moments like this, when respected members on SF lose perspective and - instead of providing intelligent objective criticism - egg on members to make further mistakes, that SF loses whatever little credibility it has left and starts to resemble party night at the frat house.

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Damn son. Apropros went all CSI/Sherlock Holmes on that ****.
 

Wes Bourne

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Originally Posted by T4phage
you did read his post correct?




and this one makes me lol

amirite that you and the hk boys get together at the tailors to help each other in fit and minor details to make it 'just so'?

no, these 'details' will not affect 'most' of us, but the graphic details of your photos bring it into strong relief, and as such it is open for discussion.


Dood with the scary avatar: I want you in my corner!

Originally Posted by Phat Guido
- WORD

- LC is on his own here..
- We have already had a meeting about this.. Well on MSN..


Breakaway faction?

Originally Posted by TRINI
Damn son. Apropros went all CSI/Sherlock Holmes on that ****.

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bengal-stripe

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Originally Posted by luk-cha
well nothing is perfect in life, so these minor little issues that you are stressing on will not affect most of us...........

Remember that thread:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=37931

I still believe, most of the "problems" in the G&G were caused by the use of flash (just like red eyes in a portrait).
 

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I'm hopeful for a friendlier reception for my pair. despite them being in the same color and pebble grain as Cha-Cha's out of deference to the many photos of inaccessible tail that I am wont to post from time to time.

- B
 

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Originally Posted by T4phage
no, these 'details' will not affect 'most' of us, but the graphic details of your photos bring it into strong relief, and as such it is open for discussion.

this is a valid point.

we, Sterling Gillette and me, believe that "Operation Paprika" delievers knowledge from parts unknown. For us an essential part of the purpose that styleforum serves, period.

...ah, yes and some shoes for regulars: iammatt, binge, cunning smeagol, grimslade, luk-cha, vox...

gdl203, who's on top of the list for new arrivals, thank you for your patience, greg

former sf now LL: dopey

all not known for being total shoe noobs.

happy pentecost

ps: no worries, bill i'm not catholic.
 

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Well, given that all (?) of them were unable to view/handle the shoes prior to ordering, I don't think that says much, if anything at all, aside from a dedication to exploring all options for (ostensibly) well made shoes on their part. What I would be interested in knowing is how many repeat orders were placed after receipt of the first pair. Of course I understand that this is a somewhat difficult thing to determine given the limited stock with Mr Kiss' retirement.
 

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Originally Posted by apropos
Well, given that all (?) of them were unable to view/handle the shoes prior to ordering, I don't think that says much, if anything at all, aside from a dedication to exploring all options for (ostensibly) well made shoes on their part.

What I would be interested in knowing is how many repeat orders were placed after receipt of the first pair. Of course I understand that this is a somewhat difficult thing to determine given the limited stock with Mr Kiss' retirement.


currently two, with one person receiving three and already placed an order for the next pickup.

my current number of paprika is around a dozen. will double this.
 

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I love my pair, but haven't been flush enough lately to keep ordering. But I also haven't really checked to see if my holes and stitching were aligned just so. Not something I can say I care deeply about.
 

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Originally Posted by apropos
LC - I really respect your choice of shoe styling and commend you on buying handmade shoes blind over the internet, but seriously, styling issues aside (which are of course a matter of taste), note - 1. the poor alignment relative to each other of the flaps that denote a blucher 2. the broguing pattern is (actually obviously) irregular 3. the shoddy broguing - the holes are not cleanly punched, with material left behind in some of them, and with irregular margins It is honestly fantastic that these things are handmade in a traditional way, but at the same time being handmade is no excuse for such basic errors in shoes that (even with the weak Euro at present) cost just shy of half a grand when sold at 'clearance prices', and more so when you take into account the premium likely paid for this supposedly inherently superior construction from a man who apparently spent his entire adult life making shoes by hand. It is moments like this, when respected members on SF lose perspective and - instead of providing intelligent objective criticism - egg on members to make further mistakes, that SF loses whatever little credibility it has left and starts to resemble party night at the frat house.
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I don't like you one bit - not one bit - but that's a good post. I wonder if luk-cha received a $2000 pair of G&G bespokes with such, ahem, wonderful workmanship, how would he perceive it?
 

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