Conservative business attire for anti-war protests

[Kasper]

Originally Posted by tiger02

Huh? I encourage you to start a thread in the CE forum, and you start defending your right to protest in a suit and tie?

I started this thread here because I was hoping for an objective conversation about the attire for an anti-wat protest without it becoming overly political. I apologize if I offended you by posting it here.

 

[The Happy Stroller]

Sator, please do not rub salt into the wounds of the Shanghainese people, who have not much chance to rule themselves. Rumour has it that the core leadership of the Communist Party of China consist of a nepotistic oligarchy from a certain minority tribe in Southern and Southwestern China.

I can proudly plead not guilty to your charge that I am or has ever been a member of a rebel party ruling the state (whose name has 7 Chinese characters) which the great Chairman Mao claims is the same as the previous one (whose name has 4 Chinese characters, practically meaning the same thing!) established on January 1, 1912.

Perhaps the propaganda you picked on refers to something involving the Soviet Union? There would have been no need for such propaganda to discourage the use of the Morning Dress in the Chinese Peoples' Republic. After all, what can a resident do in the Southern city of Guangzhou in 1963 when the annual cloth ration coupon was for 1 1/2 feet of cloth (all of us probably know what colour that came in), very handy for a 17 inch x 17 inch handkerchief for covering some part of the body if the western God ever appears while one is gardening one's secret potato patch.

February 6, 96th year of the Republic.

Originally Posted by Sator

And if you are a native of Shanghai you may be the only one amongst us who has Communist Party membership. One of the reasons for the sorry decline of morning dress is due to propaganda which has depicted it as the de facto uniform of the Greedy Rich Capitalist:



And here you are telling us in the West to wear morning dress in place of the highly proleteriat lounge suit as worn by "Tob. Lenin" (Com. Lenin as it says in the poster)

!

 

[Nantucket Red]

Is a black suit appropriate for an anti-war rally?

 

[Sator]

Originally Posted by The Happy Stroller

Sator, please do not rub salt into the wounds of the Shanghainese people, who have not much chance to rule themselves. Rumour has it that the core leadership of the Communist Party of China consist of a nepotistic oligarchy from a certain minority tribe in Southern and Southwestern China.


Pardon me. I hope I didn't cause any offense. Good for you for remaining gracious about it, or else this thread would have deteriorated into something pretty ugly.

You are right the pre-revolutionary situation in Russia was different to China. The Russian upper classes really stood out. They spoke French instead of Russian (which they considered too lowly a language) and wore the latest fashions from London, Paris and Vienna.

 

[The Happy Stroller]

No offense taken, my friend. Everyone knows you are good contributor to this and other sartorial forums. In fact, I always look forward to reading your posts as they are always so interesting. You have generously contributed countless wonderful images and photos. Thank you very much.

Yes, there were many White Russians who escaped to China and lived in Shanghai during the Roaring Twenties, raising the sartorial standards with their grand dining and entertainment activities.

In addition, many well-to-do Jews escaped from Continental Europe and the Soviet Union to escape prosecution during the first half of the Twentieth Century.

And, of course, as everyone probably knows, Shanghai was under Allied occupation until the Chinese Communist rebels liberated the city in 1949.

It would be interesting if someone could post photos of foreigners wearing Morning Dress in Shanghai long ago.

BTW, please do not read too much into my use of words used in the context of Chinese political history as I often use such words more for convenience than because I subscribe to the ideology which adopted the use of those words. I apologise to everyone if my habit of acting like a parrot holding up a little red book causes misunderstanding. Just imagine how those fellow conspirators of Colonel Hogan (hmm... maybe it's not Hogan's Heroes. I think I got the wrong TV series in mind - the right one should be the one which has this funny French inn keeper who is always fooling around with a barmaid) had to watch their language in occupied-France.

Originally Posted by Sator

Pardon me. I hope I didn't cause any offense. Good for you for remaining gracious about it, or else this thread would have deteriorated into something pretty ugly.

You are right the pre-revolutionary situation in Russia was different to China. The Russian upper classes really stood out. They spoke French instead of Russian (which they considered too lowly a language) and wore the latest fashions from London, Paris and Vienna.

 

[Mr. Checks]

Originally Posted by NoVaguy

Yes. Etiquette generally requires that you call people by the name they choose. Anything less is indeed a deliberate attempt to insult.

As the President apparently now concedes:

(AP) --


This one has gotten a little ic-ky for the White House.
President Bush said Monday he wasn't trying to disparage the party now running Congress by referring to it as the "Democrat majority" "” as opposed to the "Democratic majority" "” in his State of the Union speech.

"That was an oversight," Bush said in an interview with National Public Radio. "I mean, I'm not trying to needle."

Bush's dropping of the "ic" at the end of the word prompted grumbling by Democrats that he purposely got their name wrong.

This is not a new charge. The late President Reagan used to refer to the "Democrat Party." Democratic leaders have long considered it demeaning when their suffix is omitted, and some of them figured it was no accident in a speech as highly choreographed and rehearsed as Bush's State of the Union.

Bush said he wasn't even aware that he had done it.

"I meant to be saying, why don't we show the American people we can actually work together?" Bush said.

The verbal slip came in the same breath as the president was congratulating Democrats for winning the House and Senate in the November election.

In the language the president was supposed to read, the reference was "Democratic," not "Democrat."

Bush said the theme of his speech was about cooperating with Democrats on big issues such as Social Security.

Yet, after another bitter campaign season in 2006, that talk of bipartisanship comes with plenty of skepticism.

"There is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town," Bush said. "And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."

Then the president conceded: "I'm not that good at pronouncing words anyway."

Bush plans to speak to the House Democratic Caucus at its conference this weekend in Virginia.

On the president's schedule, that event is referred to as the "House Democrat Conference."

 

[Mr. Pink]

Originally Posted by alflauren

It's a matter of semantics and a way of not ceding the word "democratic" to the Democrats. A Republican is a member of the Republican party. A Democrat is a member of the Democrat party, not the Democratic party.

So the answer to my question is "yes"?

 

[wheelerray]

Originally Posted by Mr. Checks

As the President apparently now concedes:

(AP) --


This one has gotten a little ic-ky for the White House.
President Bush said Monday he wasn't trying to disparage the party now running Congress by referring to it as the "Democrat majority" "” as opposed to the "Democratic majority" "” in his State of the Union speech.

"That was an oversight," Bush said in an interview with National Public Radio. "I mean, I'm not trying to needle."

Bush's dropping of the "ic" at the end of the word prompted grumbling by Democrats that he purposely got their name wrong.

This is not a new charge. The late President Reagan used to refer to the "Democrat Party." Democratic leaders have long considered it demeaning when their suffix is omitted, and some of them figured it was no accident in a speech as highly choreographed and rehearsed as Bush's State of the Union.

Bush said he wasn't even aware that he had done it.

"I meant to be saying, why don't we show the American people we can actually work together?" Bush said.

The verbal slip came in the same breath as the president was congratulating Democrats for winning the House and Senate in the November election.

In the language the president was supposed to read, the reference was "Democratic," not "Democrat."

Bush said the theme of his speech was about cooperating with Democrats on big issues such as Social Security.

Yet, after another bitter campaign season in 2006, that talk of bipartisanship comes with plenty of skepticism.

"There is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town," Bush said. "And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."

Then the president conceded: "I'm not that good at pronouncing words anyway."

Bush plans to speak to the House Democratic Caucus at its conference this weekend in Virginia.

On the president's schedule, that event is referred to as the "House Democrat Conference."

A coworker who knew I thought little of GWB bought me a desk calendar of "Bushisms." The man supplies an endless stream of amazing gaffes. He is indeed not that good with pronunciation, but is a master of "illiteration," being a founding member of the linguistic style of stupid.

 

[LabelKing]

Originally Posted by The Happy Stroller

No offense taken, my friend. Everyone knows you are good contributor to this and other sartorial forums. In fact, I always look forward to reading your posts as they are always so interesting. You have generously contributed countless wonderful images and photos. Thank you very much.

Yes, there were many White Russians who escaped to China and lived in Shanghai during the Roaring Twenties, raising the sartorial standards with their grand dining and entertainment activities. In addition, many well-to-do Jews escaped from Continental Europe and the Soviet Union to escape prosecution during the first half of the Twentieth Century. And, of course, as everyone probably knows, Shanghai was under Allied occupation until the Chinese Communist rebels liberated the city in 1949. It would be interesting if someone could post photos of foreigners wearing Morning Dress in Shanghai long ago.

BTW, please do not read too much into my use of words used in the context of Chinese political history as I often use such words more for convenience than because I subscribe to the ideology which adopted the use of those words. I apologise to everyone if my habit of acting like a parrot holding up a little red book causes misunderstanding. Just imagine how those fellow conspirators of Colonel Hogan (hmm... maybe it's not Hogan's Heroes. I think I got the wrong TV series in mind - the right one should be the one which has this funny French inn keeper who is always fooling around with a barmaid) had to watch their language in occupied-France.

The White Russians opened up a lot of furriers, bakeries which did not raise sartorial standards; it only introduced the bortsch soup to the Chinese palatte. However, many of the Russians did get jobs as bodyguards and doormen, wearing their resplendent uniforms. The women worked as escorts at various clubs and nightclubs like the still-extant Paramount. However, from photographs I've seen of some of my relations being well-dressed was certainly a trait. And some of the things left by the foreigners attest to the elegance of that age. They even had four Bugatti motors in Shanghai at the time--I wonder where they went.

 

[The Happy Stroller]

Oh, so that bortsch soup is of Russian origin; all the time I've been assuming it's German. Don't know whether it's that restaurant in Nanjing East Road just two blocks or so from the Peace Hotel, but they have a wonderful cheese-baked Mandarin Fish dish. Mandarin Fish, BTW, as the name is used in China, does not refer to that most beautiful sea-water fish one can ever see in a marine aquarium if lucky enough, but to a native fish of the West Lake of Hangzhou. Its flesh is softer than Cod.

Paramount - that's the dance hall where I'll be having dancing lessons dressed in Morning Dress when it's ready.

Originally Posted by LabelKing

The White Russians opened up a lot of furriers, bakeries which did not raise sartorial standards; it only introduced the bortsch soup to the Chinese palatte.

However, many of the Russians did get jobs as bodyguards and doormen, wearing their resplendent uniforms. The women worked as escorts at various clubs and nightclubs like the still-extant Paramount.

However, from photographs I've seen of some of my relations being well-dressed was certainly a trait. And some of the things left by the foreigners attest to the elegance of that age. They even had four Bugatti motors in Shanghai at the time--I wonder where they went.

 

[LabelKing]

Originally Posted by The Happy Stroller

Oh, so that bortsch soup is of Russian origin; all the time I've been assuming it's German. Don't know whether it's that restaurant in Nanjing East Road just two blocks or so from the Peace Hotel, but they have a wonderful cheese-baked Mandarin Fish dish. Mandarin Fish, BTW, as the name is used in China, does not refer to that most beautiful sea-water fish one can ever see in a marine aquarium if lucky enough, but to a native fish of the West Lake of Hangzhou. Its flesh is softer than Cod.

Paramount - that's the dance hall where I'll be having dancing lessons dressed in Morning Dress when it's ready.

I know there is an established Western restaurant near the old Pacific Hotel on Nanjing Rd.

When I was in Shanghai I saw some tailoring dummies that had morning wear and tails on.

 

[The Happy Stroller]

That's probably the one.

I believe you must have been walking around the expensive Communist-run hotels in the Maoming South Rd. or Shaanxi South Rd. area where there are branches of HK tailors. Their prices are impressive (at least to me) - about RMB 8-12,000 Yuan (US$1,000 to US$1,500)for a Morning Dress.

Originally Posted by LabelKing

I know there is an established Western restaurant near the old Pacific Hotel on Nanjing Rd.

When I was in Shanghai I saw some tailoring dummies that had morning wear and tails on.

 

[LabelKing]

Originally Posted by The Happy Stroller

That's probably the one.

I believe you must have been walking around the expensive Communist-run hotels in the Maoming South Rd. or Shaanxi South Rd. area where there are branches of HK tailors. Their prices are impressive (at least to me) - about RMB 8-12,000 Yuan (US$1,000 to US$1,500)for a Morning Dress.

No, it was about Shanxi Rd. These were small private tailors, some of which had some dubious looking things.

 

[The Happy Stroller]

Dubios looking things ... like?

Originally Posted by LabelKing

No, it was about Shanxi Rd. These were small private tailors, some of which had some dubious looking things.