Photos of my Tom Ford RTW Suit

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

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I'm not well-enough versed. I was hoping that a "master tailor" and trained suit salesperson together would be able to properly guide me through at least properly fitting my shoulders

this is what troubles me the most about this episode

Originally Posted by Kuro

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this is what troubles me the most about this episode

agree

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

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I'm not well-enough versed. I was hoping that a "master tailor" and trained suit salesperson together would be able to properly guide me through at least properly fitting my shoulders

If I recall correctly, you were warned multiple times that Tom Ford is not a tailor and his business is not in tailoring. But you insisted that the high price and high-handed marketing ensured a well-tailored product. The mere fact that you are shocked a sales associate and 'master tailor' at a high-end fashion boutique would fit you poorly suggests you could gain a lot by hanging around here before ordering your next expensive suit.

I want to be clear: I do not think a bespoke tailor will necessarily make you happy. A quality client can make as much of a difference as a quality tailor. I don't like the idea of directing or micro-managing my tailors, but I think it always helps for the client to understand what is good and bad. If nothing else, it will improve your ability to communicate and voice meaningful concerns. If you really intend to go bespoke, educate yourself and take your time. You'll get happier results. I'd bet a free suit that Despos agrees .

To be honest, I thought you were a troll before. Clearly, you're not. I sincerely hope things turn out well for you.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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If I recall correctly, you were warned multiple times that Tom Ford is not a tailor and his business is not in tailoring. But you insisted that the high price and high-handed marketing ensured a good product. The mere fact that you are shocked a sales associate and 'master tailor' at a high-end fashion boutique would fit you poorly suggests you could gain a lot by hanging around here before ordering your next expensive suit.

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I don't know...steering him towards a size 54 doesn't seem too much to ask even from a sales associate and a store tailor.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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If I recall correctly, you were warned multiple times that Tom Ford is not a tailor and his business is not in tailoring. But you insisted that the high price and high-handed marketing ensured a good product. The mere fact that you are shocked a sales associate and 'master tailor' at a high-end fashion boutique would fit you poorly suggests you could gain a lot by hanging around here before ordering your next expensive suit.

This point is completely irreverent. Tom Ford being a tailor or not has absolutely no impact on the turnout. The problem is the incompetent salesman and in-house tailors at the TF store he visited.

He could have gone to Brooks Brothers, Ralph Lauren or even Barneys for Kiton or Brioni and get the same poor results, given the same quality of salesman and in-house tailor.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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If I recall correctly, you were warned multiple times that Tom Ford is not a tailor and his business is not in tailoring. But you insisted that the high price and high-handed marketing ensured a well-tailored product. The mere fact that you are shocked a sales associate and 'master tailor' at a high-end fashion boutique would fit you poorly suggests you could gain a lot by hanging around here before ordering your next expensive suit.

I want to be clear: I do not think a bespoke tailor will necessarily make you happy. A quality client can make as much of a difference as a quality tailor. I don't like the idea of directing or micro-managing my tailors, but I think it always helps for the client to understand what is good and bad. If nothing else, it will improve your ability to communicate and voice meaningful concerns. If you really intend to go bespoke, educate yourself and take your time. You'll get happier results. I'd bet a free suit that Despos agrees

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To be honest, I thought you were a troll before. Clearly, you're not. I sincerely hope things turn out well for you.

Thank you Mr. Fan. I knew TF wasn't going to provide the best fitting of all products with the best construction etc etc. I was just hoping for a few things

1) shoulders that fit nicely and were structured with a subtle rope
2) a trim and angled silhouette that I have seen from the photos of people wearing TF suits (I realize things look different on different people but being 6'1"-6'2" with a 34" waist - there is no reason why I couldn't have a coat that was cut like this. There is significant size difference between my waist and shoulders and my torso under my arms has a natural V shape 3) highly quality construction for the RTW universe (fully canvas, working buttons, nice cloth)

Now that I look back - I bet the result would of been far better if the starting point was a 54R as opposed to a 52R

Originally Posted by Kuro

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I don't know...steering him towards a size 54 doesn't seem to much to ask even from a sales associate and a store tailor.

Who knows what they did or didn't steer him toward? My biggest mistake ever was buying a MTM Armani tuxedo from Saks when I didn't really understand anything. I assumed that the reputations of Armani and Saks guaranteed decent results. Hell, I was getting fit by the store's Armani 'specialist'. What could possibly go wrong?

They wound up convincing me that a size 38 short jacket was a good template for me and only the sleeve and trouser length needed adjustment. I asked about the jacket length because it reached slightly past my finger tips, but they insisted it was the Armani 'look' and made me appear taller. Of course, the results were awful--although I didn't know it at the time. The shoulders are easily 2 or 3 inches too wide, the collar doesn't fit my neck, and the excessive length makes the jacket unwearable.

Now I realize what probably happened: (1) they did not have a 36 short in the store for me to try on for reference, and (2) they didn't want to do any substantive modifications for fear of making a mistake they'd later get stuck with.

Even the Oxxford boutique screwed with me a little. Note for posterity: removing shoulder padding is not the same as making an unpadded shoulder from scratch, no matter what anyone tells you.

Send me that tux mafoo! haha Sounds like you have lost a lot of money due to these errors.

Originally Posted by randallr

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Send me that tux mafoo! haha Sounds like you have lost a lot of money due to these errors.

Well, the tux is a real loss. Had I known better sooner, I would have tried to get my money back. However, the Oxxford jackets and suit I own are perfectly wearable. But not being keen on diversity for diversity's sake, and having better things to wear, I never put them on anymore.

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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Who knows what they did or didn't steer him toward? My biggest mistake ever was buying a MTM Armani tuxedo from Saks when I didn't really understand anything. I assumed that the reputations of Armani and Saks guaranteed decent results. Hell, I was getting fit by the store's Armani 'specialist'. What could possibly go wrong?

They wound up convincing me that a size 38 short jacket was a good template for me and only the sleeve and trouser length needed adjustment. I asked about the jacket length because it reached slightly past my finger tips, but they insisted it was the Armani 'look' and made me appear taller. Of course, the results were awful--although I didn't know it at the time. The shoulders are easily 2 or 3 inches too wide, the collar doesn't fit my neck, and the excessive length makes the jacket unwearable.

Now I realize what probably happened: (1) they did not have a 36 short in the store for me to try on for reference, and (2) they didn't want to do any substantive modifications for fear of making a mistake they'd later get stuck with.

Even the Oxxford boutique screwed with me a little. Note for posterity: removing shoulder padding is not the same as making an unpadded shoulder from scratch, no matter what anyone tells you.

I think we are saying the same thing...these high end boutiques and department stores are not to be trusted, but for the money that they charge they should make a better effort....

From the picture of the shoulder close-up you posted, that shoulder treatment looks like what Zegna does (even for their Cardigan soft-shoulder jacket), which makes sense since they make TF. You may want to check out the Zegna store to see if there's something in there that you like. I've only had good experiences with my Zegna MTM with their Los Angeles and Chicago stores. I would avoid department stores.

--Andre

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

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Should I aim to get a refund, get them to give me a MTM, a different RTW, or fix the current suit (which isn't really fixable)

Do not accept the current suit. But I think the most you will get is store credit for the cost of the suit, unless you get your CC company involved.

Originally Posted by vitaminc

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You did not make any mistake; it was TF's store sales/tailor.

True.

But not making a mistake is not the same as being knowledgeable enough of aesthetic details to have prevented this outcome. Sadly, you just can't trust sales staff in many places to know enough themselves to correctly advise.

They should be able to fix that suit for you.

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I'm not convinced it's salvageable (at least without cost-prohibitive surgery). Easier for them to just issue store credit and start from scratch with a larger jacket size.



PS. how does every Tom Ford thread end up this long?

Originally Posted by Holdfast

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PS. how does every Tom Ford thread end up this long?

If the OP's suit is any indication, things associated with Tom Ford just tend to have all the wrong dimensions .

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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If I recall correctly, you were warned multiple times that Tom Ford is not a tailor and his business is not in tailoring. But you insisted that the high price and high-handed marketing ensured a well-tailored product. The mere fact that you are shocked a sales associate and 'master tailor' at a high-end fashion boutique would fit you poorly suggests you could gain a lot by hanging around here before ordering your next expensive suit. I want to be clear: I do not think a bespoke tailor will necessarily make you happy. A quality client can make as much of a difference as a quality tailor. I don't like the idea of directing or micro-managing my tailors, but I think it always helps for the client to understand what is good and bad. If nothing else, it will improve your ability to communicate and voice meaningful concerns. If you really intend to go bespoke, educate yourself and take your time. You'll get happier results. I'd bet a free suit that Despos agrees

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Highlighted in red is the best advice you could possibly get. With true bespoke you will get multiple fittings. The first fitting will be a loosely basted rag, but you will have an inkling of the shoulder width and all the other dimensions. You have to be able to communicate to the tailor what you like or dislike about what you are seeing all along the way at every fitting or you will get a suit that looks and fits the way the tailor likes and not necessarily the way you like.

Originally Posted by Holdfast

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PS. how does every Tom Ford thread end up this long?

Perfume in front of vag.