Italian knots

SpallaCamiccia · Apr 23, 2010

Originally Posted by ter1413

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Why this user always writes ..... in most of his post? Just asking.

Redwoood · Apr 23, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

I think you'll find that the four-in-hand is more or less the official forum knot. Big knots are much maligned around these parts.

Yet another instance of unfortunate dogmatic myopia.
The tie knot is an integral part of the head-collar-knot harmony. So why use just one, when we have so many different collars and heads?

On somebody with a relatively large head and cutaway collar (not pointing any fingers or anything), a FIH can look lost or comically small, worse make the head appear even larger. Something like a Pratt or Half-Windsor can fill in the collar nicely while counter-balancing the head.

Deep30hz, thanks for the links, I like that Italian/Cavendish knot. Looks very festive for some reason.

Fat-tie-knot · Apr 23, 2010

I sport a double Hanover.

Redwoood · Apr 23, 2010

Originally Posted by Fat-tie-knot

I sport a double Hanover.

Also affectionately known as 'the cow bell '

TheFoo · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by Redwoood

Yet another instance of unfortunate dogmatic myopia. The tie knot is an integral part of the head-collar-knot harmony. So why use just one, when we have so many different collars and heads? On somebody with a relatively large head and cutaway collar (not pointing any fingers or anything), a FIH can look lost or comically small, worse make the head appear even larger. Something like a Pratt or Half-Windsor can fill in the collar nicely while counter-balancing the head. Deep30hz, thanks for the links, I like that Italian/Cavendish knot. Looks very festive for some reason.
Identifying dogma is not the same as endorsing it. Of course, not everyone can understand that (not pointing fingers or anything).

StylenotFashion · Apr 24, 2010

Please allow a bit of knowledge and style to be passed on from an older statesman... Tie Etiquette: Or, Ten Golden Rules for a Tarnished Age We tend to agree with the maxim that men of style are never too fashionable, that idiosyncrasy always plays its part in stylish dress. And yet there are unspoken rules that a gentleman ignores at his own peril. Not exactly an arcane code, but there are unwary subtleties of dress. The smaller points of wearing a tie makes a good case for adhering to a certain form. 1. There are really only two knots worth considering: the four-in-hand and half-Windsor; and only the four-in-hand for knit ties. Other knots are novelties. 2. The self-loop at the back of the large blade, sometimes called a “keeper” but often merely the makers label, needn’t actually be used in fact to hold the smaller blade, better not to, for a freer, more stylish note. 3. The blade ends should ideally reach the top of the trouser waistband and should match up in length. Not as easy as it looks to the uninitiated. 4. A small dimple at the base of the knot shows a certain je ne sais quoi of finesse. 5. With tie bars, as with mens’ jewellery generally, anything other than tasteful discretion can be hazardous, and probably should be avoided. 6. A tie should always be untied carefully after wearing. As Miss Adelaide says in Guys and Dolls, “We are civilized people. We do not have to conduct ourselves like a slob.” 7. Fabric ties (silk, wool, cashmere, cotton) should be rolled after wearing and then hung; knit ties should be rolled and never hung. 8. A four-in-hand or half-Windsor knot should just fill the tie space at the collar button and be taut enough to arch out from the collar a bit; the mid-section of the tie should be completely hidden under the collar at the back. 9. Bow ties should never look perfectly tied. Ceaseless practice usually suffices to produce the precise look of subtle imperfection. 10. The proper length for a bow tie is achieved when the ends sit within the edges of the collar. This necessitates buying bow ties with sized graduated bands or with an adjustable slider.

Redwoood · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Identifying dogma is not the same as endorsing it. Of course, not everyone can understand that (not pointing fingers or anything).

...and following dogma is not the same as identifying it.
Good that we talked about this.

No idea who you're talking about, but I'm talking about the PoW

A Kent knot is even smaller than a FIH, thus, demonstrates the previous points even better.

Deep30hz · Apr 24, 2010

Great replies.

Deep30hz · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by Redwoood

Yet another instance of unfortunate dogmatic myopia.
The tie knot is an integral part of the head-collar-knot harmony. So why use just one, when we have so many different collars and heads?

On somebody with a relatively large head and cutaway collar (not pointing any fingers or anything), a FIH can look lost or comically small, worse make the head appear even larger. Something like a Pratt or Half-Windsor can fill in the collar nicely while counter-balancing the head.

Deep30hz, thanks for the links, I like that Italian/Cavendish knot. Looks very festive for some reason.

Yea, that Italian/Cavendish/Plazport(never heard of it lol) or whatever the demonstrator called it has a fun and carefree style to it. Guess he works for Andrews ties.

The other guy at Lugo Tailored Lifestyle has his own way. An even more carefree, looser and stylish look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pquO...os=8FwsfyCyNqo

Fat-tie-knot · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by Redwoood

Also affectionately known as 'the cow bell '

Amen!

SpallaCamiccia · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by Fat-tie-knot

Amen!

Ey great firm. IÂ´ll use daily to screw my sneaky friends.

Cravat is a principle of moral order. It is a kind of confirmation of what you are or, at least, what you would like to be." Domenico Rea

NOBD · Apr 24, 2010

Originally Posted by StylenotFashion

Please allow a bit of knowledge and style to be passed on from an older statesman...

Thank you, Mr Drake.

calvinloke · Apr 25, 2010

What do you call this knot?

Deep30hz · Apr 25, 2010

Looks like a FIH passed around twice and not pulled very tight.

il_colonnello · Apr 25, 2010

Originally Posted by StylenotFashion

1. There are really only two knots worth considering: the four-in-hand and half-Windsor

3. The blade ends should ideally reach the top of the trouser waistband and should match up in length.

Personally I think that looks awful. Anyway I don't see how men of different body heights/torso lengths are supposed to achieve blades of equal lengths with varying-length ties using only FIH and half-Windsor. Unless you have your ties shortened/lengthened when you buy them, which is getting a bit carried away I think.

Variety is the spice of life.

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