Italian knots

[vncrz]

I go with a double FIH for narrow collars, and the Knize knot for spread collars that need a heftier knot to fill up space.

 

[NOBD]

Originally Posted by il_colonnello

Unless you have your ties shortened/lengthened when you buy them, which is getting a bit carried away I think.

Or order them at the right length at Drake's (or elsewhere, of course).

 

[Deep30hz]

Originally Posted by vncrz

I go with a double FIH for narrow collars, and the Knize knot for spread collars that need a heftier knot to fill up space.

That Knize knot is quite nice. I just gave it a shot and it looks great. Similar to a four in hand with more heft and a similar look to a Cavendish also.

 

[SpallaCamiccia]

Originally Posted by vncrz

I go with a double FIH for narrow collars, and the Knize knot for spread collars that need a heftier knot to fill up space.

I use that knot in my lighter lining ties to get a better knot. Actually was called " Italian " knot.

It is not the Pratt ?

 

[Deep30hz]

Originally Posted by SpallaCamiccia

I use that knot in my lighter lining ties to get a better knot. Actually was called " Italian " knot.

It is not the Pratt ?

It's not a Pratt. There seems to be a few knots that are termed an "Italian knot" by some, but just seem to be a FIH or double FIH or a Cavendish etc. Guess it's up to interpretation.

http://www.krawattenknoten.info/italian-tie-knot.html -- looks like a FIH to me.

http://a-la-louche.typepad.fr/tie_kn...-tie-a--4.html -- same thing.

-- the video I posted before. A FIH twice around.

-- the other video I posted. A Cavendish, but called an Italian knot here and called a Plazport here as well. (never heard that term)

And the Knize knot.

And I'm sure there are more out there.

 

[SpallaCamiccia]

Originally Posted by SpallaCamiccia

I use that knot in my lighter lining ties to get a better knot. Actually was called " Italian " knot. It is not the Pratt ?
I just checked my 85 ways to ie a tie book, and it´s actually a " Nicky " knot. Never herad the word " knize " either.

 

[Champagnelifestylenomoney]

I know James Bond wouldn't trust me but I go for a half Windsor almost every time - I blame the English school system for this - only the kids at my school who couldn't quite manage joined up writing went for the 4iH.

Don't want to cause offence but there seems to be something appealing about the symmetry of a well tied Windsor.

 

[clarinetplayer]

Originally Posted by Phat Guido

This entire thread has been a fun read. It's nice to have all the PG tie/collar shots in one "collection".

 

[SpallaCamiccia]

Originally Posted by calvinloke

What do you call this knot?

I call it " rookie " knot, commonly used by bad politicians. It´s horrible man. It should have the V shape, yours looks as a cilinder.

 

[Deep30hz]

Originally Posted by SpallaCamiccia

I just checked my 85 ways to ie a tie book, and it´s actually a " Nicky " knot. Never herad the word " knize " either.

It looks that way, but doesn't the Nicky start out with the seam facing up? Looks like the Knize is done in almost the same way with the seam down. I have to get a copy that book. Would be great to have.

 

[Redwoood]

Originally Posted by StylenotFashion

[...]
6. A tie should always be untied carefully after wearing. As Miss Adelaide says in Guys and Dolls, "We are civilized people. We do not have to conduct ourselves like a slob."
[...]

I presume this is a variant of the "untie the tie exactly how you tied it, just in reverse" advice one often reads, with the explanation that "it lets the tie relax naturally" or whatever.
In the interest of spicing up this thread, I'm going to go ahead and call bs on this myth.

1. A tie that ends up in an untied state has been relaxed, no matter how this was achieved.
2. There is so much tension in the tie knot already and for a prolonged period, that pulling on it to release it hardly exacerbates the situation.
3. The more one fusses around with the tie (reverse-tying it and so on), the greater the risk that the silk might get damaged by nails or dry skin. Compare this to the simplicity and minimal skin-to-silk contact of simply pulling out the end and 'popping open' the knot (if the particular knot allows this).
I have entertained the thought that while this fact may not be the motivation behind the myth, it contributes to tie vendors' continuing to propagate it. After all, who benefits most from ties damaged by their users?
discuss.

Oh yeah, just to stay on-topic: It appears to me that many Italians prefer their knots less taut. Maybe that's the secret of the Italian knot?

 

[Deep30hz]

Originally Posted by Redwoood

Oh yeah, just to stay on-topic: It appears to me that many Italians prefer their knots less taut. Maybe that's the secret of the Italian knot?


That just might be the common denominator of all these variants of the Italian knot LOL.

 

[lucubrator]

Originally Posted by Deep30hz

Thanks for a the replies. So I looks as though on the double FIH the large blade goes UNDER the two pass overs and not between them? Or is it a matter of ppersonal preference? I've seen some vids that has it going between them. The Prince Albert, Victoria and Double FIH seem the same to me.

In my experience Prince Albert means under the two pass overs and Victoria means between them. I've never heard the term Double FIH before this post.

 

[calvinloke]

Originally Posted by SpallaCamiccia

I call it " rookie " knot, commonly used by bad politicians. It´s horrible man. It should have the V shape, yours looks as a cilinder.

Certain Italians want the back blade to show. Thus, it may never have a perfect V-shape.

 

[SpallaCamiccia]

Originally Posted by lucubrator

In my experience Prince Albert means under the two pass overs and Victoria means between them. I've never heard the term Double FIH before this post.

Me either. I thought double FIH was two pass overs , as I do in the Victoria.

Originally Posted by calvinloke

Certain Italians want the back blade to show. Thus, it may never have a perfect V-shape.

The owners of my usual clothes shops are italians , I neve seen before that atrocious.