Navy Hopsack Suit?

edmorel · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Wes Bourne

As my former supplier of cotton office pants, I trust that you are telling the truth. I still don't like it. I saw Zoolander on tv this weekend. I believe Hansel wore something similar, albeit in another color.

Hansel is so hot right now.

Originally Posted by Wes Bourne

Not yet, but I have been peeping the flannels. I only stopped buying from ed because he stopped selling (if I'm not mistaken). I think the mods should add 'Former' to ed's title.

Stopped selling other brand's office pants

JPHardy · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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Film Noir Buff · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by iammatt

I have a blue hopsack suit which I like very much. I don't collect garbage, and have yet to be ostracized for it. My point is, as above, that class is difficult to determine, and is something that exists and changes based on a thousand different metrics, but out here, judging class by suit fabric is pretty difficult to do.
You're living in a fools paradise my friend. What you dont know is there is a secret society of us and after fellows like you depart, we laugh about your suits. As a matter of fact, hopsack-wearer is synonymous with bumpkin. But, as you can imagine, it's really a function of our own insecurities and ridiculous class anxieties. Deep down, we all want to have the courage to find a fabric that's suitable for an odd jacket and then take it to the next level and make it into a suit. This is the forte of any man of taste and elegance. If lambswool-Alpaca makes a soft jacket, well then, why not a suit!? The complete clothie has suit, tie, braces, pocket square, shirt and fedora all fashioned from the same mohair. Oh to be free of the shackles of class and be able to mandate elegance by commissioning suits simply by randommly selecting fabric books and then choosing whichever pattern we open it up to first.

DocHolliday · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

I am uncertain of this, but if I were forced to offer an opinion, my current feeling is there really is no viable American "upper" class anymore...it's prior role is (1) more generally diffused among people with money of myriad backgrounds who seek and establish status largely non-dynastically and (2) it's prior role as an object for social ambition has been replaced by mass celebrity culture. "Class" implies sociable habits, which neither of the new groups manifest coherently.

I think class is less about money than you do, at least around here. It's a component, but not the component. An unreliable indicator, you might say.

Xiaogou · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

You're living in a fools paradise my friend. What you dont know is there is a secret society of us and after fellows like you depart, we laugh about your suits. As a matter of fact, hopsack-wearer is synonymous with bumpkin.

But, as you can imagine, it's really a function of our own insecurities and ridiculous class anxieties. Deep down, we all want to have the courage to find a fabric that's suitable for an odd jacket and then take it to the next level and make it into a suit. This is the forte of any man of taste and elegance. If lambswool-Alpaca makes a soft jacket, well then, why not a suit!? The complete clothie has suit, tie, braces, pocket square, shirt and fedora all fashioned from the same mohair.

Oh to be free of the shackles of class and be able to mandate elegance by commissioning suits simply by randommly selecting fabric books and then choosing whichever pattern we open it up to first.

STFU.

Invicta · Nov 23, 2009

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TheFoo · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

You're living in a fools paradise my friend. What you dont know is there is a secret society of us and after fellows like you depart, we laugh about your suits. As a matter of fact, hopsack-wearer is synonymous with bumpkin.

I want to think that you are being facetious, but I can never be sure. So, apologies in advance.

Taking you in earnest, I think you are forgetting to consider the degree to which your social group's opinions are relevant in the first place. I am not put off by class discussions, per se, just by opinions that are couched in class positioning and fail to recognize that one's particular class may not be the one everyone else wants to be a part of. There's a lot of hubris in imagining others should want to be like you, despite their protestations and actions suggesting otherwise.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

But, as you can imagine, it's really a function of our own insecurities and ridiculous class anxieties. Deep down, we all want to have the courage to find a fabric that's suitable for an odd jacket and then take it to the next level and make it into a suit. This is the forte of any man of taste and elegance. If lambswool-Alpaca makes a soft jacket, well then, why not a suit!? The complete clothie has suit, tie, braces, pocket square, shirt and fedora all fashioned from the same mohair.

Oh to be free of the shackles of class and be able to mandate elegance by commissioning suits simply by randommly selecting fabric books and then choosing whichever pattern we open it up to first.

Again, I think you are imagining that actions which incidentally correlate to your notions of class necessarily validate or show agreement with those notions. In other words: not everyone who selects the first cloth in a random fabric book is necessarily trying to free himself of the "shackles of class." Some people might just like hopsack--it is only your assumption that class anxiety underlies the preference for it.

George · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by mafoofan

I want to think that you are being facetious, but I can never be sure. So, apologies in advance.

Taking you in earnest, I think you are forgetting to consider the degree to which your social group's opinions are relevant in the first place. I am not put off by class discussions, per se, just by opinions that are couched in class positioning and fail to recognize that one's particular class may not be the one everyone else wants to be a part of. There's a lot of hubris in imagining others should want to be like you, despite their protestations and actions suggesting otherwise.

Again, I think you are imagining that actions which incidentally correlate to your notions of class necessarily validate or show agreement with those notions. In other words: not everyone who selects the first cloth in a random fabric book is necessarily trying to free himself of the "shackles of class." Some people might just like hopsack--it is only your assumption that class anxiety underlies the preference for it.

Oh ****, this thread is now going to take a turn for the worse....

itsstillmatt · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

You're living in a fools paradise my friend. What you dont know is there is a secret society of us and after fellows like you depart, we laugh about your suits. As a matter of fact, hopsack-wearer is synonymous with bumpkin.

But, as you can imagine, it's really a function of our own insecurities and ridiculous class anxieties. Deep down, we all want to have the courage to find a fabric that's suitable for an odd jacket and then take it to the next level and make it into a suit. This is the forte of any man of taste and elegance. If lambswool-Alpaca makes a soft jacket, well then, why not a suit!? The complete clothie has suit, tie, braces, pocket square, shirt and fedora all fashioned from the same mohair.

Oh to be free of the shackles of class and be able to mandate elegance by commissioning suits simply by randommly selecting fabric books and then choosing whichever pattern we open it up to first.

You may be right. I am so embarrassed.

A funny story, which may pull some of this together...

The last time I can remember laughing at somebody's apparel was after a dinner party at which a Boston based charity was looking to raise a substantial amount of money for a CA expansion. It was a rather small party, maybe twenty people, and one person whom I have known for thirty years showed up in khakis, a blue buttondown and a tie with pictures of his kids on it. If there were ever an outfit that said "garbageman out on the town" this would have been it. Of course, they guy was also exactly what vox described as a certain upper class (Exeter, Princeton, Harvard, Bohemian Club etc,) though he happens to be very active in the world these days as well.

Film Noir Buff · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by iammatt

You may be right. I am so embarrassed.

A funny story, which may pull some of this together... The last time I can remember laughing at somebody's apparel was after a dinner party at which a Boston based charity was looking to raise a substantial amount of money for a CA expansion. It was a rather small party, maybe twenty people, and one person whom I have known for thirty years showed up in khakis, a blue buttondown and a tie with pictures of his kids on it. If there were ever an outfit that said "garbageman out on the town" this would have been it. Of course, they guy was also exactly what vox described as a certain upper class (Exeter, Princeton, Harvard, Bohemian Club etc,) though he happens to be very active in the world these days as well.
Pull us together? Ha! There are two types of people my friend, those who wear hopsack jacket fabric as suits, and those who despise them. There are no half measures.

apropos · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by edmorel

That Hansel is so hot right now.
FTFY.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

Pull us together? Ha! There are two types of people my friend, those who wear hopsack jacket fabric as suits because they like them, and those who despise them and subsequently tack on half-baked notions of what belongs (or not) to various social classes in order to apparently justify/legitimise their preference while simultaneously reassuring themselves of their superior social standing. There are no half measures, especially when trying to rationalise a simple dislike or suppressing feelings of insecurity.
FTFY.

apropos · Nov 23, 2009

Film Noir Buff · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by George

Oh ****, this thread is now going to take a turn for the worse....
Anytime there is a chance for an interesting conversation you can be sure one of these "fellows" will poke their head out to make it personal and ruin it.

TheFoo · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

Anytime there is a chance for an interesting conversation you can be sure one of these "fellows" will poke their head out to make it personal and ruin it.

Can we take a vote on whether I 'made t personal'? I was merely responding earnestly to your comments. I don't think I said anything impolite or insulting--if I did, just show me where so I can rectify.

ysc · Nov 23, 2009

Watching Americans argue about class is like watching pygmies wrestle.

There is only one class distinction that matters, and only two classes. Those that can trace their family back before 1066, who can wear what they like and it doesn't matter, and those who can not trace their family back that far, who can also wear what they like, but because they don't matter.

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