Winson Shoemaker (Indonesia) Thread...

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

I just received word from Emil. He would prefer to do a GMTO, so all the shoes to be made in the same design, construction and similar details etc.etc. Will try to convince him of the benefits of making this a MTO (garners more interest when guys can do what they wish). If not and this speaks to @acapaca query, you may incur a MTO fee of some sort plus additional fees for a different colored leather to be brought in.

Additionally, he will inquire the price of the actual piece of leather, so we should have more definitive pricing details. Which is undoubtedly as critical as the design aspect.

In any case, let's look at realistically what the shoe may look like. As mentioned, it would be a full strap loafer in Mahagony Lama. The pictures below would more or less be the last shape. I would prefer a rounded toe, to make the loafer less formal, however I won't shed a tear if you all rather keep this chiseled appearance.

The "strap" would resemble Ann's design so it would be on the thicker side versus the thinner variation offered by Winson.

Considering it is a loafer, I figured a standard square beveled waist should be fine.

Saying that, I wouldn't be opposed to a Vibram topy if you guys didn't want a straight leather sole.

More details to follow as they are disclosed to me. Of course, any ideas or suggestions are welcomed and encouraged.

 

[acapaca]

Whose loafers are those in the first picture. And...how are we going to get ours in a last like that?

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

Whose loafers are those in the first picture. And...how are we going to get ours in a last like that?

Should be easy to get a last like that one. Those are Winson loafers ?.

 

[acapaca]

Should be easy to get a last like that one. Those are Winson loafers ?.

Wow! I would not have guessed that... Wow.

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

Wow! I would not have guessed that... Wow.

Yes sir.

So, it is easy to envision the same loafer with a different strap. And yes, Emil has already confirmed the strap would resemble the Ann strap.

 

[acapaca]

Do you know exactly what leather those loafers (in the first pic, again) are on?

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

Do you know exactly what leather those loafers (in the first pic, again) are on?

Looks like Ring Mark lizard. Which has that different texture appearance to it compared to standard Lizard or Iguana. It tends to be more expensive due to having to match up similar design and pattern.

 

[evangel21]

I just received word from Emil. He would prefer to do a GMTO, so all the shoes to be made in the same design, construction and similar details etc.etc. Will try to convince him of the benefits of making this a MTO (garners more interest when guys can do what they wish). If not and this speaks to @acapaca query, you may incur a MTO fee of some sort plus additional fees for a different colored leather to be brought in.

Additionally, he will inquire the price of the actual piece of leather, so we should have more definitive pricing details. Which is undoubtedly as critical as the design aspect.

In any case, let's look at realistically what the shoe may look like. As mentioned, it would be a full strap loafer in Mahagony Lama. The pictures below would more or less be the last shape. I would prefer a rounded toe, to make the loafer less formal, however I won't shed a tear if you all rather keep this chiseled appearance.

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The "strap" would resemble Ann's design so it would be on the thicker side versus the thinner variation offered by Winson.
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Considering it is a loafer, I figured a standard square beveled waist should be fine.
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Saying that, I wouldn't be opposed to a Vibram topy if you guys didn't want a straight leather sole.

More details to follow as they are disclosed to me. Of course, any ideas or suggestions are welcomed and encouraged.

I'm cool with the full strap loafers. Love that design and would want this.
The aurora last would be nice for this pair of loafers.

 

[boot_owl]

I remember it was mentioned in a conversation I had with Emil about a Bespoke last and the upgraded internals, although I don't recall the cost. Would you mind sharing the price range for the last? Happen to know the upgrade fee for the Baker internals @boot_owl?

I believe that would be especially useful information for anyone interested in a black captoe or a highly upgraded shoe. For a loafer, mmmmm I'm not so much a stickler for the finest meats and cheeses, especially at this price point ?.

bakers upgrades are free if you source the components yourself and they can be found at AACrack. Keep in mind indonesian customs takes about a 30% cut.

He’s currently considering an e-spoke last program that will probably end up running sub $500 usd, but that ones on the back burner in the face of a major project he’s working on involving the end of regular line Winson

I just received word from Emil. He would prefer to do a GMTO, so all the shoes to be made in the same design, construction and similar details etc.etc. Will try to convince him of the benefits of making this a MTO (garners more interest when guys can do what they wish). If not and this speaks to @acapaca query, you may incur a MTO fee of some sort plus additional fees for a different colored leather to be brought in.

Additionally, he will inquire the price of the actual piece of leather, so we should have more definitive pricing details. Which is undoubtedly as critical as the design aspect.

In any case, let's look at realistically what the shoe may look like. As mentioned, it would be a full strap loafer in Mahagony Lama. The pictures below would more or less be the last shape. I would prefer a rounded toe, to make the loafer less formal, however I won't shed a tear if you all rather keep this chiseled appearance.

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The "strap" would resemble Ann's design so it would be on the thicker side versus the thinner variation offered by Winson.
View attachment 1453887 View attachment 1453888

Considering it is a loafer, I figured a standard square beveled waist should be fine.
View attachment 1453890
Saying that, I wouldn't be opposed to a Vibram topy if you guys didn't want a straight leather sole.

More details to follow as they are disclosed to me. Of course, any ideas or suggestions are welcomed and encouraged.

I think part of the beauty of the Ann loafer is how the wider strap shortened the vamp, which stopped the chisel toe from looking elongated. Usually I’m not a fan of chisel toe loafers but this effect balances the look IMO.

If we look at the details, I believe the short vamp, thicker apron, and square ended apron toe together to create a cohesive look that I would love to achieve. I think this style works best with a rounded beveled waist and blind welt, as it’s not a particularly casual loafer.

I would be interested to see what the cost would be for multiple single MTOs sharing leather vs a GMTO. I can’t imagine it would be all that significant, especially if we don’t all agree on the vision

 

[bsarosi]

I can get behind the full strap loafer if we have to go the route of GMTO for same model. I’d lean towards the Aurora last (elongated almond toe) but fine with the chiseled last.

 

[boot_owl]

I can get behind the full strap loafer if we have to go the route of GMTO for same model. I’d lean towards the Aurora last (elongated almond toe) but fine with the chiseled last.

aurora is a chisel toe FYI. His almond toe last is Kirin, but is probably not great for a loafer

 

[bsarosi]

aurora is a chisel toe FYI. His almond toe last is Kirin, but is probably not great for a loafer

Isn’t the Aurora the burgundy penny loafer in the photos posted above? Looks like an elongated almond toe like GG DG70 but if it’s chisele, that’s fine. That’s my preferred last for the loafer.

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

I'm cool with the full strap loafers. Love that design and would want this.
The aurora last would be nice for this pair of loafers.

I can get behind the full strap loafer if we have to go the route of GMTO for same model. I’d lean towards the Aurora last (elongated almond toe) but fine with the chiseled last.

Well those Winson loafers are of the Aurora last. So that is the way I'm leaning at the moment, only because I haven't seen a round that would mimic the effect the Almond has going on.

bakers upgrades are free if you source the components yourself and they can be found at AACrack. Keep in mind indonesian customs takes about a 30% cut.

He’s currently considering an e-spoke last program that will probably end up running sub $500 usd, but that ones on the back burner in the face of a major project he’s working on involving the end of regular line Winson



I think part of the beauty of the Ann loafer is how the wider strap shortened the vamp, which stopped the chisel toe from looking elongated. Usually I’m not a fan of chisel toe loafers but this effect balances the look IMO.

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If we look at the details, I believe the short vamp, thicker apron, and square ended apron toe together to create a cohesive look that I would love to achieve. I think this style works best with a rounded beveled waist and blind welt, as it’s not a particularly casual loafer.

I would be interested to see what the cost would be for multiple single MTOs sharing leather vs a GMTO. I can’t imagine it would be all that significant, especially if we don’t all agree on the vision

I would agree about the rounded beveled waist, but I'd skip the blind welt only to attempt to make it lean towards a smarter look and less formal. So the wider strap would still achieve the duty of shortening the vamp, yet flow into the rounded toe shape. Coupling the round waist with the rounder toe should come together harmoniously. As mentioned though, I don't see a rounded toe that works as desired so next would be the almond toe.

Ideally, I just want a smart to smart casual loafer.

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

Isn’t the Aurora the burgundy penny loafer in the photos posted above? Looks like an elongated almond toe like GG DG70 but if it’s chisele, that’s fine. That’s my preferred last for the loafer.

Indeed that is the Aurora last.

 

[AndyNic]

I just received word from Emil. He would prefer to do a GMTO, so all the shoes to be made in the same design, construction and similar details etc.etc. Will try to convince him of the benefits of making this a MTO (garners more interest when guys can do what they wish). If not and this speaks to @acapaca query, you may incur a MTO fee of some sort plus additional fees for a different colored leather to be brought in.

Additionally, he will inquire the price of the actual piece of leather, so we should have more definitive pricing details. Which is undoubtedly as critical as the design aspect.

In any case, let's look at realistically what the shoe may look like. As mentioned, it would be a full strap loafer in Mahagony Lama. The pictures below would more or less be the last shape. I would prefer a rounded toe, to make the loafer less formal, however I won't shed a tear if you all rather keep this chiseled appearance.

View attachment 1453884 View attachment 1453881 View attachment 1453882 View attachment 1453883

The "strap" would resemble Ann's design so it would be on the thicker side versus the thinner variation offered by Winson.
View attachment 1453887 View attachment 1453888

Considering it is a loafer, I figured a standard square beveled waist should be fine.
View attachment 1453890
Saying that, I wouldn't be opposed to a Vibram topy if you guys didn't want a straight leather sole.

More details to follow as they are disclosed to me. Of course, any ideas or suggestions are welcomed and encouraged.

May I enquire as to the brand/maker and leather type of the burgandy coloured shoe you refer to as 'Ann'.