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Vanson Model A vs. Schott 641HH

FrancoInDc

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Hi guys,

I'm trying to decide between the two; they are about the same price. I'd appreciate any opinions, especially from those who have first hand experience with either or both of these jackets. I'm leaning towards the Schott because the detailing seems slightly better and it's horsehide (the Vanson is cowhide), although they might have done better with brass instead of silver zippers.

It's hard to get a feel for them based on the pics alone. Thanks in advance.

Schott:

http://www.schottnyc.com/motorcycle-..._horsehide.htm

Vanson:

http://www.vansonleathers.com/produc...ar_model_a.htm
 

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If you're spending that much: buy both, try on, return one. They're both very nice riding jackets, but if you're concerned about hardware metals and not skin-replacement surgery, don't get either. They're too stiff to wear out-and-about until they're broken in.
 

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I don't have any experience with the Schott jacket so I'm afraid I can't help you there.

I recently purchased the Vanson Model A for the upcoming riding season, and as a jacket for casual wear. I considered lots and lots of other rider's jackets before pulling the trigger on this one -- I couldn't be happier with it.

The horsehide vs. cowhide explains the ~$100 price difference between the two. Although, given that the Vanson is top-grain cowhide, the difference isn't very substantial. From what I've read on various boards and heard from talking to the Vanson retailer I purchased mine from, these jackets stand up extremely well to rain, are built to last decades and will retain their shape even after years of wear. Although, as the poster above me mentioned, they arrive extremely stiff so they'll take years to break in and soften.

If you're looking for a dual purpose leather jacket -- to be worn as protective gear while riding and to look good in when not -- either jacket is a smart buy. The only differences besides the horsehide/cowhide and hardware ones that I can discern are (1) the collar button-snaps are a tad different between the two and (2) the side pockets on the Vanson are diagonal whereas the ones on the Schott are vertical.

If you don't plan on riding in either jacket, I'd sincerely ask you reconsider your options.

And here are a few crappy photos showing the fit on the Model A:


 

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Originally Posted by Shark
I don't have any experience with the Schott jacket so I'm afraid I can't help you there.

I recently purchased the Vanson Model A for the upcoming riding season, and as a jacket for casual wear. I considered lots and lots of other rider's jackets before pulling the trigger on this one -- I couldn't be happier with it.

The horsehide vs. cowhide explains the ~$100 price difference between the two. Although, given that the Vanson is top-grain cowhide, the difference isn't very substantial. From what I've read on various boards and heard from talking to the Vanson retailer I purchased mine from, these jackets stand up extremely well to rain, are built to last decades and will retain their shape even after years of wear. Although, as the poster above me mentioned, they arrive extremely stiff so they'll take years to break in and soften.

If you're looking for a dual purpose leather jacket -- to be worn as protective gear while riding and to look good in when not -- either jacket is a smart buy. The only differences besides the horsehide/cowhide and hardware ones that I can discern are (1) the collar button-snaps are a tad different between the two and (2) the side pockets on the Vanson are diagonal whereas the ones on the Schott are vertical.

If you don't plan on riding in either jacket, I'd sincerely ask you reconsider your options.


+1

I'll add that the horsehide is slightly stiffer than the Vanson cowhide. I looked at both the Vanson (model A or B) and the Schott 141 and I got the Schott because it was more accessible to me where I live. Both are great jackets, especially for riding. They'll last forever.

If you wear it to ride AND wear it casually, you just have to remember to clean the bugs off before you go out.
 

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Thanks, guys. I actually have a couple Ducati/Dainese armored jackets for most riding purposes, but I would probably use something like this occasionally.

Shark, your jacket looks fantastic. I do think that brass hardware looks better than the silver, at least in the pics. If I may ask, how tall are you and what size is your jacket?

I'm wondering if the horsehide justifies the $70 premium (including shipping) over the Vanson. Supposedly horsehide has a richer shine and develops a superior patina over time.
 

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I have the Vanson AZ in the heaviest weight leather (steer/cow hide). I ride in it a lot and it's pretty well broken in at this point. I would not suggest the heavy weight leather for wearing casually - it is extremely heavy. Not just stiff, but really, really thick. Also, it isn't a great jacket for riding in a sporty position, as the cut is quite long in the front and it will poke you in the junk and/or bunch up in your front. For an upright position it is fine, and it's great in all conditions except extreme heat.

If I were to do it all over again, I'd consider the brown horsehide Schott or an Aero horsehide. I'd rather have a little bit thinner horsehide jacket that I could wear more casually (I'd also get it with armor pockets). The Vanson is just too thick and has no armor pockets. However, they do have a thinner weight than the one I got, so you might look into that. Keep in mind, any of these is pretty much indestructible, so it's worth paying a couple hundred dollars more for something you really like. Over the length of time you'll have it and the amount of wear it will get, it is money well spent.
 

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I'm 5'10" and the Vanson is a size 40.
 

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Hi,

the last jacket I bought is The Schott Racer 689 HH.
Its made of horsehide just like the Racer 641 HH, has a shirtcollar and brassware.
I would choose the Schottjacket instead of the Vanson.
Horsehide is more comfortable to wear in warm weather, but also a bit colder in winter. In the winters of Germany/Bavaria you cant wear anyway a leatherjacket for riding.
Its more shiny than cowhide and very stiff to wear.
For the leather and the seams its important to give it a good rub first.
Just get a can of "Effax" a leatherconditioner from Switzerland (you can buy it at eBay).
Its very easy to use. You never know how old the jacket is, even when its new.
Its important for the stitching and the leather.
At first you will feel like King Arthur in his armor, but once the jacket is broken in, its worth it. When you wear it everyday this could take several weeks, til you feel comfortable.
If you have decide between cowhide and horsehide, I would always choose horsehide.
Deciding between two horsehides, one from Schott and one from Vanson, its hard.
Best is to try them on. which fits your body better.
Im 6 ft. tall, 170 pds. , athletic and a size 42 from Schott fits perfect.
If youre not sure, call Mrs.Gail at Schottnyc.com , she makes a good job finding the right size for you.
Hope my english is ok so far.
 

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Originally Posted by Shark
I don't have any experience with the Schott jacket so I'm afraid I can't help you there.

I recently purchased the Vanson Model A for the upcoming riding season, and as a jacket for casual wear. I considered lots and lots of other rider's jackets before pulling the trigger on this one -- I couldn't be happier with it.

The horsehide vs. cowhide explains the ~$100 price difference between the two. Although, given that the Vanson is top-grain cowhide, the difference isn't very substantial. From what I've read on various boards and heard from talking to the Vanson retailer I purchased mine from, these jackets stand up extremely well to rain, are built to last decades and will retain their shape even after years of wear. Although, as the poster above me mentioned, they arrive extremely stiff so they'll take years to break in and soften.

If you're looking for a dual purpose leather jacket -- to be worn as protective gear while riding and to look good in when not -- either jacket is a smart buy. The only differences besides the horsehide/cowhide and hardware ones that I can discern are (1) the collar button-snaps are a tad different between the two and (2) the side pockets on the Vanson are diagonal whereas the ones on the Schott are vertical.

If you don't plan on riding in either jacket, I'd sincerely ask you reconsider your options.

And here are a few crappy photos showing the fit on the Model A:




Nice jacket. I've got a Vanson Comet with silver hardware and the brass on yours looks so much better.
 

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I'm 5'8" request Vanson is a size 40.

 

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