The Oxford-Shoe-Worn-Casually Appreciation Thread

[Nobilis Animus]

Her ancestry might still lander her at society parties and afford her invitations, but there are plenty of women descended from princes, dukes, and earls who would be derided for dressing like that.

She is a beautiful, successful model and actress - and that is the sole reason people care.

Just more Star-Fing. Like cooing over Daniel Craigs terrible fits.

Perhaps so. I'm guessing a large part of the attention shown to that outfit was due to her celebrity, as you say.

I think you mean that others might be derided by the public as a whole, but in their own circles? Not a chance. Take a look at those Tatler magazine parties if you want to see some real hoots.

 

[ValidusLA]

Perhaps so. I'm guessing a large part of the attention shown to that outfit was due to her celebrity, as you say.

I think you mean that others might be derided by the public as a whole, but in their own circles? Not a chance. Take a look at those Tatler magazine parties if you want to see some real hoots.

My guess is derided by the public and behind their back by some, but not all, peers.

If Kate Middleton dressed like that nowadays in public my guess is the Queen wouldn't clap vapidly.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

My guess is derided by the public and behind their back by some, but not all, peers.

If Kate Middleton dressed like that nowadays in public my guess is the Queen wouldn't clap vapidly.

Fair enough. This is why I like costume parties - and Halloween is right around the corner.

 

[JFWR]

Ok, sure. Then it's probably enough to say that those are not to your taste. But it's less an issue of "learn how to dress classically" at that point, because it's not a given that A) someone dressed classically is dressing tastefully, and B) that anyone's version of tasteful - yours or mine - is worth the striving to attain.

I think we can agree, for example, that the jeans + jacket look is one which has become a part of the CM repertoire. But the question of whether oxfords might look good with that, or whether the jeans should be slim or not, is surely different from broad ideas about taste? I can look at this, for example,

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and point out several things that I like about it: the way that something vaguely masculine is actually enhancing Cara's femininity through the use of accessories; the fact that the coat, waist covering, and trousers are all cut perfectly and are very flattering; the attitude/boyish haircut of the wearer, etc. (it's worth pointing out that she asked the bride+groom, her friends, beforehand and they were delighted to let her try something more creative for the wedding).

Conversely, this is probably shocking to the standards of traditional wedding etiquette. Perhaps not all of her outfit is totally on-point. You might even think it bad. But can you really say that the outfit isn't aesthetically pleasing without inserting tons of baggage about 'proper form,' social context,* and classical rules? I think that this is where we diverge on these questions.

(*also worth noting is that Cara Delevingne is the great-granddaughter of a Viscount, so she can get away with whatever she damn well pleases)



See, this narrow definition of 'blazer' is precisely the sort of thing I mean. What does it need besides contrasting buttons, casual cut, and a solid colour, then? Patch pockets?

I think that any of us here who post about bespoke suits/shoes, expensive accessories, and literally spraying 1000s of dollars on our skin in the form of fragrances have lost the right to be claiming distance from privilege.

Cara Delavigne being the grand daughter of a viscount explains why a boyish looking nothing is a model and an actress.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

100%.

Just to speak to this point, I'd hope that I was getting whatever I actually ordered from a tailor. If you walk in and ask for 'a blazer,' then of course you can expect a generic version of that thing. But tailors aren't exactly founts of style all the time - they're skilled tradesmen who make clothes to your specifications.

 

[dieworkwear]

Just to speak to this point, I'd hope that I was getting whatever I actually ordered from a tailor. If you walk in and ask for 'a blazer,' then of course you can expect a generic version of that thing. But tailors aren't exactly founts of style all the time - they're skilled tradesmen who make clothes to your specifications.

It's ok to say you misused a term

 

[ValidusLA]

Cara Delavigne being the grand daughter of a viscount explains why a boyish looking nothing is a model and an actress.

You guys are putting weird associations on this. There are well over a hundred viscounts. There are literally probably thousands of great grand daughters of vicounts.

The reason she has had nepotism as a leg up has nothing to do with being a maternal descendent to the 4th generation of a minor peer. Her family with 2 generations owned Queen (Harpers) and Conde Nast. Publishing fortunes grant her nepotism, not some arcane distant relation.

 

[物の哀れ]

But tailors aren't exactly founts of style all the time - they're skilled tradesmen who make clothes to your specifications.

In my experience, this is the worst way to work with a tailor.

 

[ValidusLA]

But tailors aren't exactly founts of style all the time - they're skilled tradesmen who make clothes to your specifications

My original tailor was an amazing source of advice, RIP.

The cutter at my shop I respect immensely. He let's people get away with whatever they want and is not pushy, but if you ask him his opinion (which I do) he is a great source of advice. I find following it ends up with the most cohesive garments.

 

[JFWR]

You guys are putting weird associations on this. There are well over a hundred viscounts. There are literally probably thousands of great grand daughters of vicounts.

The reason she has had nepotism as a leg up has nothing to do with being a maternal descendent to the 4th generation of a minor peer. Her family with 2 generations owned Queen (Harpers) and Conde Nast. Publishing fortunes grant her nepotism, not some arcane distant relation.

Oh, yeah, that explains even better.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

It's ok to say you misused a term

Except I didn't. You just have a particular definition of it, which does not match my own.

You guys are putting weird associations on this. There are well over a hundred viscounts. There are literally probably thousands of great grand daughters of vicounts.

The reason she has had nepotism as a leg up has nothing to do with being a maternal descendent to the 4th generation of a minor peer. Her family with 2 generations owned Queen (Harpers) and Conde Nast. Publishing fortunes grant her nepotism, not some arcane distant relation.

I wasn't really referring to her career trajectory, but social mores and the whole 'pulling it off' kind of thing. Publishing fortunes and modeling might make her famous, but that's not why she was invited to Princess Eugenie's wedding.

My original tailor was an amazing source of advice, RIP.

The cutter at my shop I respect immensely. He let's people get away with whatever they want and is not pushy, but if you ask him his opinion (which I do) he is a great source of advice. I find following it ends up with the most cohesive garments.

Absolutely. But there's still a lot of grey area between 'my tailor should make literally whatever I ask for,' and 'I should never deviate from what my tailor prefers.'

 

[dieworkwear]

Except I didn't. You just have a particular definition of it, which does not match my own.

When you hear the term "blazer button," do you think of MOP?

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[Nobilis Animus]

When you hear the term "blazer button," do you think of MOP?

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Actually, yes. And there's been enough discussion on the forum in the past about the topic that I don't feel like I have to justify the opinion.

 

[dieworkwear]

Actually, yes. And there's been enough discussion on the forum in the past about the topic that I don't feel like I have to justify the opinion.

MOP blazer is great if your club is for mothers of pearls.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

MOP blazer is great if your club is for mothers of pearls.

I'll take a club full of hot moms with pearls any day over whatever weird #menswear thing this is: