I picked up 2 Oxxford suits today -- a Gibbons model and a Manhattan II model -- with the intent of keeping only one of them. Initially I thought I'd go with Gibbons for sure. Indeed, the only reason that I picked up the Manhattan was because it felt like the Gibbons was running small on me (and so was the Manhattan) but they only had the M in a 40R (G was a 38R only). So, after trying the suits on at my house with shirt and tie and dress shoes and belt I now think that the Manhattan model is just a classic. It isn't as sack like as a previous poster said. The difference seems to be that the waist suppression is a bit hidden by the very natural shoulder line. Plus, nipping it 1" i the waist should be no problem. The button stance I initially thought was too low, but with a shirt and tie it actually looks timeless and actually flatters my build. Most importantly, the Manhattan is the most comfortable suit I've ever tried on (along with a Kiton that I tried on for kicks), without doubt. The Gibbons isn't as comfortable -- it still feels like you are wearing a suit, whereas the Manhattan you almost forget. Makes me regret not buying that St. Andrews from A. Harris when I had the chance, because a comfortable jacket is worth its weight in gold. Hopefully Andrew will have more in the future. I just wish the Manhattan were double vented, but that would probably look silly with the other styling details. As a side note, I've noticed that my Chan jacket -- although a radically different cut than the Manhattan -- is also super comfortable. I think if I had the time to wait for Chan to come to the U.S., I might stick with them -- not so much for fit but for stylistic control. I still think that while Chan makes a great great suit, they don't equal the perfection of Oxxford. And at the price I got the Oxxford for, that's less than what Chan is currently quoting me for another suit (Chan's prices fluctuate depending on when you order apparently -- they run "specials" that don't last. Price is still good, but Filene's is better right now). Anyways, I'd be curious as to what you all think about the Manhattan II model if you have tried it on. I mean, I would't wear it to a party, I don't think, but I'd definitely feel my best meeting a client in it.