J. Gordon Holt grows up

[Sprezzatura2010]

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

Spazzwell, I'm done debating you since you cannot stop making personal attacks. You clearly have some mental issues.
Why are you so afraid, unlike J. Gordon Holt, to understand simple reality by participating in, as he put it, "basic honesty controls" such as double blind testing? I guess now you have two reasons to puss-out because you'd have two bubbles popped. One about your "golden ears" and the marketing BS you have adopted as your own, and one about me. But if you ever change your mind and want to do a wager on a double blind listening test I normally live about half a mile from somewhere you claimed to do some recording.

 

[MiloX]

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

Why are you so afraid, unlike J. Gordon Holt, to understand simple reality by participating in, as he put it, "basic honesty controls" such as double blind testing?

I guess now you have two reasons to puss-out because you'd have two bubbles popped. One about your "golden ears" and the marketing BS you have adopted as your own, and one about me. But if you ever change your mind and want to do a wager on a double blind listening test I normally live about half a mile from somewhere you claimed to do some recording.

Wow... It took me a few minutes to figure it out, but I think I know spretzzatura from other fora.

ECA and DIYMA in particular.

Has a very strong aversion to kick-panel placement, but is definitely on the "correct" side of the audio science vs religion debate.

What's up DS-21?

 

[A Y]

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

Perhaps Kimber Hero is a great case to study. All audio reviewers have found this cable to sound excellent in terms of being very neutral. If you are right then a poor design would measure poorly. Does Hero measure poorly yet sound so good?

I personally have found Hero to be an excellent interconnect.

You are only considering one possiblity: that the audio reviewers (and you) are actually hearing differences due to the cable, and that those differences are actually improvements over generic cable. There are at least two other possibilities:

1. The audio reviewers (and you) are imagining the differences.
2. There are actually audible differences, but they are worse than a generic cable, and the audio reviewers (and you) prefer the worse sound.

Those two alternative cases are not far-fetched as there are many examples of both in audio.

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

This is not much of a critique of Cardas as he travels around the country discussing how metrics link to sound quality differences.

It is a valid critique of the article you posted --- I made no other claims about Cardas.

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?ar...ements+Matter?

This is a strange one, because Cardas claims that measurements don't predict audibilty all that well. That begs the question of why does he go through the trouble of having expensive test equipment and publishing all those graphs in your original link?

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?ar...ow+Eddy+Copper

This is not really relevant. He tells a story about meeting someone doing work in a non-audio related field, and then talks about how he makes his copper. He doesn't link them to a cable's sound.

I haven't had time to watch the videos.

--Andre

 

[Artisan Fan]

Watch the videos, they are fairly well done.

 

[A Y]

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?ar...ce+%28video%29

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?ar...ng+%28video%29

Like his papers, these videos don't explain how the stuff he's demonstrating is related to audio. There's some technobabble in them that's mostly wrong (reflections at audio frequencies?), but none of what he's showing is surprising at all to any electrical engineer. The important part --- how any of it is audible since most of the phenomena he's demonstrating is well above the human hearing range --- is missing.

The second video on shielding poses a logical conundrum for you since Cardas talks about how necessary shielding is in a cable, and that's the main problem with the Kimber Hero (and all of the classic Kimber interconnects) --- they have non-existent shielding. So is Cardas wrong, or do Kimbers suck?

--Andre

 

[Sprezzatura2010]

Originally Posted by MiloX

Has a very strong aversion to kick-panel placement, but is definitely on the "correct" side of the audio science vs religion debate.

Yep, no ankle biters for me!

 

[MiloX]

I was being generous with the "very strong aversion to" comment.

And you are being generous with the smiley face. What have you done with DS-21?

 

[Sprezzatura2010]

Originally Posted by MiloX

What have you done with DS-21?

The car is sitting several hundred miles away from me.

I should ask the moderators if it would be possible to change my name here to that. My current one is really lame.

 

[ms244]

Do people seriously pay $100/foot for copper cables?

How big of a market is this?

 

[Artisan Fan]

Originally Posted by ms244

Do people seriously pay $100/foot for copper cables?

How big of a market is this?

It's a big market but silver, silver/copper and various alloys are what's hot now.

 

[Sprezzatura2010]

It's not that big a market. (And there's no functional difference between the various conductive alloys peddled by the various wire hucksters.)

Consider the universe of people with lots of disposable income, zero intellect, and no desire to show off to people who are not the hybrid nerds/idiots/snobs we call "audiophiles." That is the expensive audio wire market.

 

[A Y]

 

[Artisan Fan]

^

 

[A Y]

RIP JGH.

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/news/ (scroll down to July 21 entries)

--Andre

 

[Sprezzatura2010]

indeed.

Stereophile classes up their obit by showing a picture of a man who died from COPD with a cigarette in his hand. http://www.stereophile.com/news/j_gordon_holt/