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Is anyone else annoyed by Tom's shoes?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by J Darnielle, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. babadooboo

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    GFs are really easy to get down in Argentina after their financial meltdown (if you're white). Hey, I ain't mad at Blake, just laughing at all the goobers buying into his program. The dude is a genius, and I bow down to him like the prezdint did to the Saudi King and the Japanese Emperor. It is all part of the trendz tranzpiring in these here yoo nited states. 1/2 the nation worships the gipper and the other half worship slick willy so why wouldn't a guy make a fortune selling Acid Tripping Slippers that will prevent a poor kid from getting silicosis of the feet. No dumber than teenaged girls in tokyo doing a middle aged Chinese tourist for money to go buy a pair of Chucks!
     
  2. LabelKing

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    They look like something that poor people would hesitate to wear.
     
  3. West24

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    I think it's funny that a lot of people are hating on Toms. They may not be the best looking shoes but they certainly look a lot better then a lot of stuff on this forum. And people are complaining about the markup, but it's not much different then paying 300 bucks for CP's or something, which 99 percent of the people on the street think are Converse's anyway.

    clearly you dont know what youre talking about. its converse, not convereseseses! go get learned.
     
  4. Dburr

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    Please don't tell my mother I work for Tom's shoes - she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse!
     
  5. A.K.A.

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    My 19 year-old daughter showed up at my house for Thanksgiving wearing the most wornout and shittiest looking pair of fake Keds ever. I told her that I would buy her a pair of shoes.

    She gets on the laptop and shows me a pair of Tom's that she wants. I reneged on my offer.
     
  6. babadooboo

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    My 19 year-old daughter showed up at my house for Thanksgiving wearing the most wornout and shittiest looking pair of fake Keds ever. I told her that I would buy her a pair of shoes.

    She gets on the laptop and shows me a pair of Tom's that she wants. I reneged on my offer.


    Well if she tells you she wants to intern for them you should disown her completely.

    http://www.onedayoneinternship.com/i...ps/toms-shoes/
     
  7. MakesArtNotWar

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    It seems like a great marketing scam. They make ugly shoes that fall apart in a week and probably don't cost more than 50 cents to make. Then they give a free pair away, meaning each pair costs them about a dollar.

    They retail for $45ish. As a percentage, the company probably gives less than the average charitable contribution of corporations.

    Why are people falling for this gimmick? If you're that concerned, write a check directly to poor kids. Or get them a pair of indestructible shoes.


    Well, I have a few pairs of Toms, they look cool to me, and are extremely comfortable, but Looks and comfort aside. What Tom's stands for is very cool and unique. The shoes are on average the same price as vans or other $30-40 shoes. And they give a pair to needy kids around the world, as someone who has 3 friends who have personally gone on shoe drops and distributions to these countries such as Argentina, and Haiti, I know they do indeed give away shoes to needy kids, and is not a scam.. Consider even the $40 price tag, thats $20 a pair considering they give another pair away.

    ..They make ugly shoes that fall apart in a week..

    Also, I have a few pairs, 2 of which I bought over 2 years ago, and they have not fallen apart or torn, or broke down once,.. also, many people I know, and friends of mine have never had a pair break down. Maybe do a survey, or some research before you make that kind of statement. Keep in mind.. We aren't going and playing football with the shoes or grinding them on shards of glass.. Which, I'm sure, having made a foundationless statement such as that, that those were the basis on which you made your observation.

    Either way, it isn't a scam, they actually are nice comfortable shoes, the company does indeed give shoes away, like any other company I'm sure they make a profit to stay in business and continue to do what they set out to accomplish.

    Not to mention, f* the gimmick, some of us just like the shoes.. Now go have fun making fun of some actual ugly shoes.. like Crocs..
     
  8. Trompe le Monde

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    Consider even the $40 price tag, thats $20 a pair considering they give another pair away.
    if you give 40$ and i give you 2 loaves of bread, the intrinsic worth of my bread is 20$?? (not how much YOU value them) its a cloth of canvas and a floppy piece of rubber. these espadrilles are 2$-5$. if you gave your 40$ to a charity, im sure they could get more than 1 pair of shitty shoes for the kids and for yourself
     
  9. MakesArtNotWar

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    if you give 40$ and i give you 2 loaves of bread, the intrinsic worth of my bread is 20$?? (not how much YOU value them) its a cloth of canvas and a floppy piece of rubber. these espadrilles are 2$-5$. if you gave your 40$ to a charity, im sure they could get more than 1 pair of shitty shoes for the kids and for yourself
    ..Wow, you are totally missing the point, Im not saying, Oh My God, their giving $40 worth away, or.. Wow, the shoes are the best worth of $40 they can give.. Im saying, for those of us who like the shoes, they Also happen to give another pair away, maybe not as good as giving $40 to a charity, but its a pair of shoes to a kid who needs a pair of shoes, and a pair to us, someone who wants/likes the shoes. I can Still give another $40 to charity. And Im not buying the shoes for the sole belief that money goes to charity, Its a nice bonus to wanting this pair of shoes, that another kid will not have to go barefoot.. I simply made the comment because they kid was arguing they are $40 a pair, when in fact they are closer to $20 a pair considering they put out 2 pair for the $40 the consumer spends. Wether or not they make $18 off each $20 pair is not the point, I was merely stating it because the kid wanted to criticize the company for making a profit while still doing something good for needy kids, again, the point isnt that their good deed could be bigger or more giving, they still give alot. They charter their own planes to bring people like us to these countries to take part in a shoe drop where you not only outfit a needy child with shoes, but you see first-hand what the poverty and neccessity are really like in these parts of the world. It changes you and your outlook, much more than the $40 you donate, both parties get alot more than you'd think out of the experience.. And yes.. the value of something is only as much as someone will pay for it.. A Nolan Ryan Baseball card that is printed on 8 cents worth of paper.. can still sell for $300, as long as someone will pay $300 for it.. What Someone Values it at, not simply what people say it costs..
     
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    Sounds like Apolis, (Red) and a couple other companies/promotions that are out there.
     
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    I'm annoyed by most peoples shoes
     
  13. ruben

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    I find oversensitive e-assholes far more grating.
     
  14. TotesMcGotes

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    Blake, the owner, came and spoke at The University of Texas and I attended for extra credit in a marketing class. I didn't really care too much for the shoes but his message was pretty solid. If i remember correctly he said that this summer they are going to drop off around 2.5 million shoes. And in regards to them falling apart, Tom's actually partners up with local aid organizations when they drop the shoes off and they provide thousands of replacements for the children when they wear the shoes out or grow out of them. Hate on the guys appearance and the way the shoes look all you want, he is making somewhat of a difference for these kids.
     
  15. Mark it 8

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    Tom's shoes isnt doing anything different than any other corporation in the US. They are taking a tax write off, but instead of donating money they are donating goods and exploiting the hell out of it. The reason those shoes are so obnoxious looking is so they are recognizable. People can wear them around and discreetly say "look at me and my obnoxious shoes- I gave shoes to a poor kid. Arent I great?" This is pretty funny because it is much more efficient to donate to charity, but of course, there wouldnt be a badge of honor to wear.
     
  16. riverrun

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    Pretty interesting. Sort of the type of business model that those INSEAD professors who wrote Blue Ocean Strategy have an obsession about - the company sells totally unoriginal products (TOMS are admittedly a direct copy of a traditional design) but grows rapidly at what I'd have to guess are high margins and very high returns on capital bc they are clever on the demand side and found / created relatively uncontested market space. In contrast to most footwear co's, their ad spend is probably very low bc the shoe drop / philanthropy side of the organization basically generates the advertising as free publicity.

    Clearly the high margins and returns on capital due to the philanthropic element are what don't sit well with people, but what's the alternative that would be preferable - TOMS takes lower margins (eg by giving more free shoes to shoeless kids per shoe purchased or spending much more on construction / materials) voluntarily? To spend more on construction would probably be counterproductive past a point - kids outgrow shoes quickly and donating something basic and utilitarian, not prized or potentially the target of theft, is probably more efficient. They do supposedly make a point of trying to identify groups of children that they can work with on a repeat basis bc the recipients outgrow the shoes in like 6 months.

    And if people would prefer they give away more shoes, that's nice, but it's sort of a vote with your wallet situation. By making some kind of humanitarian instinct into a fashion symbol that people can purchase, they sort of earn the right to make whatever profit on that they can and, to the extent they want to reinvest those profits in something philanthropic (more shoes or something else entirely), that is more or less their own prerogative (as it is any business owner's prerogative to give away profits or keep them). If the business grows to a scale where it is, or appears, too profitable, there is probably a trade off between undermining the "brand" and lowering the returns, so at some point they probably have to demonstrate they are continuing to grow the philanthropic side seriously enough the keep people who buy the slippers feeling good about themselves and about the company.

    I think the demand for looking like humanitarian, compassionate people without taking too much independent initiative is sustainable and probably going to be a source of profit opportunities for a long time. Whether TOMS shoes are too faddish to capitalize on that for too much longer is, I think, trickier to forecast.
     
  17. riverrun

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    I bet the tax point made above is right on - you probably have to think about margins on a net, not operating, basis, bc a large portion of what is really the company's ad spend is recouped through lower tax expense.
     
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    I guess you put a "cause for kids" behind any product, you can sell anything.

    Lets make something clear....the reason they target college age is they do not have fully formed logic, hence they dont really consider the fact that our feet were not made for shoes in the first place. Plus they tend to be so insulated from reality that any emotional appeal is answered by the collage kid "we can save the world, one pair of shoes at a time". FUCK. Apparently, Tom just put these philanthropic shoe giving trips in his business plan as part of his operating margin or something.

    I think its brilliant....sell ugly shoes that cost $.25 a pair to make for $40.00, $2.00 from every pair buys a trip to Argentina to give away $.25 shoes to kids who "need them". I need to think up some crazy ass scheme like this.
    Oh, those are some seriously ugly shoes.
     
  19. riverrun

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    Lets make something clear....the reason they target college age is they do not have fully formed logic

    No I think it's because they are an especially fertile source of
    the demand for looking like humanitarian, compassionate people without taking too much independent initiative
     

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