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Gucci denim

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Renault78law, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. @riss

    @riss Senior member

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    right, which is why he shouldn't have declared that 45rpm's are "NOT" made with indigo if he could not verify said claim.
     
  2. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Even if the person whom you quote is correct, only the bespoke jeans from 45rpm use vegetable dyes. The RTW ones don't. Which variety do you think predominate in retail establishments?
    I hear that the Dutch authorities will, from time to time, will allow residents of the Hague to leave the city and that the French authorities do not prevent all Dutch travellers from entering the country. Therefore, it seems possible that T4phage has visited, oh, I don't know, maybe the Paris store. Regardless, your assumption that anyone who had ever visited the store would know that the bespoke jeans use vegetable dyes is ridiculous, and your tone is reprehensible. If you had a shred of decency, you would apologize now.
     
  3. @riss

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    jcusey, how is your tone gentlemanly? none of the styles predominate in retail establishments, its a very small niche brand. they don't do bespoke, though, they do mtm. i didn't know there was a paris store, but if you would have read the entire thread I ASKED IF ANYONE KNEW IF THERE WAS ANYWHERE ELSE ONE COULD GET THEM OTHER THAN NYC OR JAPAN. obviously there is another place, thank you for inadvertently answering my question. when i was living in france last year i used to frequent the rue Saint-Honore area going to Colette and I never saw it, so perhaps it is new, or perhaps i am blind. Why does anybody owe anyone an apology--people quibble on this site all day, everyday.
     
  4. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My tone was amply justified by yours:

    If you decide to make a remarkably snotty comment, it shouldn't surprise you when others respond in kind.

    True, very true. But it's not every day that someone asks another how he "presumes to know so much" about a topic.
     
  5. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Guns down gentlemen. Let's all step away from the weapons and drink ourselves drunk on bad rum and worse whiskey.
     
  6. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    No. Absolutely not. I demand quality stuff, not rotgut.
     
  7. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Hey, I'm an junior academic, so unless you're buying, liver killer it is.
     
  8. T4phage

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    Thanks Jcusey for answering whilst I was asleep. [​IMG] @riss, Jcusey is correct, I bought them in Paris. As to how I know that the 45's are not vegetable indigo, I have 3 pairs, and these are 100% not vegetal indigo.
     
  9. T4phage

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    Do you know what vegetable indigo dyed fabric looks like? It is nothing like the standard blue jeans, nothing at all, it is very much a lighter colour. As for your comments regarding where I am and how I "presume" to know, well we Europeans do travel as Jcusey points out, and not everything is located in the U.S. [​IMG] btw. why do you always get so het up?
     
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    Originally posted by LA Guy:
    Personally I love the 'older' fits, say the 1947 Levis, that is why I love the way the Japanese, especially Denime, cut thier jeans. Thank goodness that Levis has come to their senses and started their Vintage line to try and recapture 'thier' market. As for denim weights, I generally like them all, and the 14oz do get softer with age.... when I first tried jeans that heavy, I thought I was wearing sandpaper cardboard. [​IMG] But after awhile it softens and wears incredibly well. p.s. I dislike Edwin jeans
     
  11. Brian SD

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    ...... The real problem I have with Japanese, and to a lesser extent, European denim companies is that they are so enamored with the whole "authenticity" and "original make" thing that the lose sight of what's important - jeans that fit well and look good. I mean, who cares if the denim was handloomed or is selvedge unless it really adds character (in the first case) or durability (in the second case). Same goes for vegetal indigo. Sure, denim was originally treated with real indigo, but if you are going for a sixties or seventies feel, why would you want to go with real indigo rather than a synthetic dye? To me, it's no different than the guys who are into the minutae of suit making - sometimes it matters. Most of the time, it matters not.
    Personally I love the 'older' fits, say the 1947 Levis, that is why I love the way the Japanese, especially Denime, cut thier jeans. Thank goodness that Levis has come to their senses and started their Vintage line to try and recapture 'thier' market. As for denim weights, I generally like them all, and the 14oz do get softer with age.... when I first tried jeans that heavy, I thought I was wearing sandpaper cardboard. [​IMG] But after awhile it softens and wears incredibly well. p.s. I dislike Edwin jeans
    You do not like Edwin's, huh? I suppose it's all preference - I like them more than Denime myself (although I have not as much experience with Denime). Do you like Kunna? If you aren't familiar, they're headed by a previous Levis designer (as I was told), they use Japanese denim and antique looms for a unique vintage effect. They also have some extra stitching on them (a K logo near the bottom back of the leg). The fit is, of course, excellent: a bit slimmer up top than 501s, and a bit less tapered down below. They are similar to Tsubi jeans, and are a little less abused. Also, made in the USA.
     
  12. kitonbrioni

    kitonbrioni Senior member

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    Borrelli and Brioni both make great jeans--very soft and well tailored.
     
  13. LA Guy

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    Both make nice *trousers* using reasonably good denim, and I'm being charitable on this point. A lot of real, hardcore denimheads would say that the soft denim they use isn't even proper denim, just a soft twill that is of similar construction to denim. Neither company knows shit about making jeans. They don't even use proper jeans stitching, unless they've changed their ways recently and outsourced to a company with the proper machines.
     
  14. @riss

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    Borrelli and Brioni both make great jeans--very soft and well tailored.
    Both make nice *trousers* using reasonably good denim, and I'm being charitable on this point. Â A lot of real, hardcore denimheads would say that the soft denim they use isn't even proper denim, just a soft twill that is of similar construction to denim. Â Neither company knows shit about making jeans. Â Â They don't even use proper jeans stitching, unless they've changed their ways recently and outsourced to a company with the proper machines.
    i'm trying to envision the type of guy who would be caught dead in brioni jeans. it would have to be the type of guy who is at home in bernini.
     
  15. drizzt3117

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    or European... it's only been fairly recently that Europeans have been doing denim, in the 80s and earlier, you didn't see too much of it in Europe outside of Americans on vacation... I think this particular style of jean is more of a anti-jean.
     
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    Where do you get Borrelli and Brioni denim from?
     
  17. drizzt3117

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    Their boutiques would be a good starting point...
     
  18. kitonbrioni

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    (kitonbrioni @ 14 Dec. 2004, 9:31) Borrelli and Brioni both make great jeans--very soft and well tailored.
    Where do you get Borrelli and Brioni denim from?
    Some NM carries them. Also, Brioni 57 E. 57th St. NYC 212-376-5777 has both "summer" weight and "winter" weight ones. Then, there is http://www.luigiborrelli.com/ As individual mileage varies, it should be noted that the jeans' consiglieri DO NOT consider them to be "real/authentic/valid/worthy/bona fide/true/genuine/faithful/authoritative/original/etc".
     

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