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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, May 10, 2012.

  1. greger

    greger Senior member

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    Don't mean same hue, but the same power as balance.
     
  2. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    If so, I think the shoes are too dark. It doesn't look bad, as I imagine it. But it is not ideal.
     
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    It strange because the first (further away from camera) photo shows tones that appear to work where up close (in second and third photo) the tonal combination is not great by any means.

    "But brown suede really raises this outfit to another level. It takes the edge off the slickness while filling out the rough end of the texture spectrum"

    Not really, it's just less formal
     
  4. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think you need the larger dots here. Smaller would create a pattern too close in scale to that of the shirt.



    No, I understood. My point is that when all components are identical in a given respect, such as brightness, it doesn't lead to visual balance. In fact, it tends to lead to unpleasant clashing. The eye would neither be able to find respite from any of the outfit's extremes, nor would it want to move around the outfit. When there is a range of colors, tones, patterns, scales, textures, saturations, etc., the average of each tends to reach a happy medium while retaining interest through variance.
     
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  5. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes, really.

    They are less formal, but the texture and color are also rougher and earthier, respectively, than the rest of the outfit. You can choose to view things strictly in terms of formality if you wish, but I like to concern myself with aesthetics as well.
     
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    First suit posted in thread > Above...


    First suit has more "pop".....not that the above is bad at all......(And this is just related to the color scheme...)
     
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  7. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Exactly my thought. Timotune's outfit is far more dynamic.
     
  8. ter1413

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    First suit says "flair."
    Above suit says "business."
     
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    Well when I said "not really" I was referring to the aesthetics. The aesthetic value is not increased by rougher texture or covering the texture spectrum, not in this case anyways. Just like country does not necessarily have a greater easthetic value than city, or mixing both no greater etc.........
     
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    Did anyone else notice that you can see the outline of where the pocket flaps were pressed over the jacket? That's really bothersome to me and the flaps should be left out if you can see the outline.
     
  11. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Senior member

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    Vox > Timotune. Not sure how this is even a contest - I'm no fan of the bright blue tie.
     
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    Awful. This is the sort of thing you see on middle aged Italian dudes featured in Sartorialist.

    The monocolor draws attention to the clothes rather then the man. This is the use of color you see in sports uniforms or industrial uniforms. Because the purpose of uniforms is diminish the individual. It’s the opposite of well-dressed.

    Its color matching from a child’s perspective. It signals an ignorance of the color palate. This is a young guy with a blue suit who couldn’t sort out a complementary color so surrendered to the one certainty in his limited aesthetic insight– all items the same color.
     
  13. greger

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    Well, you would have to have the right combination, but there are other parts involved. The "cut" and shaping and where the colors be either contain it or it doesn't (some of this can be adjusted at the fitting). Another dimension is the personality that is wearing this combination, which means it is not for everybody, or the person would have to figure out how to make it work. Eye color, hair color, complexion, shoes and even socks. A good painter takes into consideration the whole canvas. The Japanese figure out how to leave some of it blank. The Mona Lisa is about her and the rest of the canvas could be just about anything else. In fact I never cared about the background he put in the Mona Lisa. The ensemble is not complete until it all fits the person and nothing leading out nor any part left out. What you have here is a combination, range of colors, tones, patterns, scales, textures, saturations, etc., that you have worked on, but there are other combination to learn. Iconic paintings, then realism, impressionist, cubist, and so on and more to come. Clothing is the same, which is one of the reasons tailoring is an art. You may not be interested in all of these styles, but you can learn from all of them. A hat is interesting because we take them off and they have to work on or off without disrupting the whole picture. I could go on and on about balance of light dark, bright dull, space between and lines and so on. Some art classes push us into subjects in ways we might not think of or want to think of but if we want the grade we continue.
     
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    Foo, what do you think about this exact outfit but with a pale pink shirt? I feel like the pink would frame his face. Would you be willing to photoshop just for kicks?
     
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    I don't understand this active hostility towards monochrome. Sure, you can think it's boring, but to think it's patently 'bad' looking is a little extreme. I'm with jrd617, subdued plain blues gives a discreet, professional appearance; and I kind of like looking anonymous and humble (you stand out enough in the modern era wearing a suit). Moreover, dark monochrome focuses the attention on the fit and cut of the suit, instead of having it hidden behind silky ties and pinstripes; frankly, fiddling around with colors, patterns, checks and pocketsquares all seems a bit feminine to me. Note, I'm not advocating an all-black suit and white shirt with aviators like some bad 90's movie. I think the Italian businessmen have it right:

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    We'll be boring together.
     
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    and the posters i imagine as well.
     
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    Post another picture besides Tims that you like.
     
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    I generally like a lower gorge than what's been shown in both fits, but FWIW, I think straighter cut lapels pair better with high gorges than bellied ones. Vox's lapel is comparatively much straighter than Timotune's.

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    +1

    I thought this was going to be a thread of Foo posting "approved" photos... I have since gotten more confused from reading it
     

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