ET's Hidden Camera Exposé: Ugly Vanessa - Turn on Your TV

[gorgekko]

I don't even find her that attractive without the fat make-up.

At any rate, Dr. Phil did this same thing not long ago as well. He got his Playboy Playmate marrying son to dress up as an extremely ugly and rather creepy dude and then sent him out in the world. What shocking knowledge did we derive from this experiment?

Well, guys who look like they might molest you are treated more poorly than the wealthy, attractive, Playboy Playmate marrying sons of celebrities are. I know, I was surprised as well.

 

[mensimageconsultant]

People don't want to believe that they are liked primarily for how they look.

 

[ATM]

Originally Posted by thisisme

MY T SHARP hahahaha
Soon to be renamed "The Three Putzes".

 

[Englandmj7]

I wonder if men will start dating large women everywhere in hopes of them shedding their costumes on the first night to reveal a gorgeous woman underneath.......

moral of the story is:

Be nice to big women, they may be wearing a costume and be ridiculously attractive underneath......or so you will tell yourself every night.......

 

[mensimageconsultant]

The tip about a Dr. Phil episode has led to this. The segment about the son isn't terribly surprising, but expect some of the other segments to shock you.
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/568

Further gratitude to anyone who can find videotape of the show online.

 

[faustian bargain]

sheesh.

It would be much more interesting if they took an ugly person and made them beautiful, and then gathered results.

The important issue here is the two-way cause-effect relationship between looks and self-esteem.

You look bad, it makes you feel worse about yourself.
You look good, it makes you feel better about yourself.

You feel bad about yourself, it makes you look worse.
You feel good about yourself, it makes you look better.

With very few exceptions, that's the way it works. Self-image is almost always bound together with self-esteem.

Further, in my experience, how much you allow outside opinions to affect your self-image is primarily dependent on how high your self-esteem is to begin with. If self-image is a major issue to a particular person's self-esteem, that makes it even more imperative for that person to do the work it takes to make him/herself look better, giving them a boost that can carry them into an upward spiraling positive feedback loop, away from dependence on the approval of others.

/andrew - has a large self-help library.

 

[mensimageconsultant]

Originally Posted by faustian bargain

sheesh.

It would be much more interesting if they took an ugly person and made them beautiful, and then gathered results.

The important issue here is the two-way cause-effect relationship between looks and self-esteem.

You look bad, it makes you feel worse about yourself.
You look good, it makes you feel better about yourself.

You feel bad about yourself, it makes you look worse.
You feel good about yourself, it makes you look better.

With very few exceptions, that's the way it works. Self-image is almost always bound together with self-esteem.

Further, in my experience, how much you allow outside opinions to affect your self-image is primarily dependent on how high your self-esteem is to begin with. If self-image is a major issue to a particular person's self-esteem, that makes it even more imperative for that person to do the work it takes to make him/herself look better, giving them a boost that can carry them into an upward spiraling positive feedback loop, away from dependence on the approval of others.

/andrew - has a large self-help library.

It sounds like you might be familiar with Thomas Cash. Conselle has used that kind of knowledge as the basis for charts and other materials about the circular relationship among body image, self-esteem, etc.

As for making an ugly person good-looking and observing subsequent behaviors, there used to be The Swan and Extreme Makeover. Of course, transformations are extremely costly, and anyone familiar with those shows knows that results often are unnatural and thus not so attractive. Non-surgical improvement, meanwhile, usually is not enough to make a homely person attractive.

 

[mensimageconsultant]

Has anyone kept watching? While last week's segments were quite predictable, the Monday segment was somewhat surprising (though not the end result), and the Tuesday segment looked promising. This week's undercover 'findings' should be repeated on Saturday.

 

[j]

Could you summarize?

 

[mensimageconsultant]

The Monday episode, yes, which requires mentioning the episode prior to it. Blonde, slim Vanessa was let in immediately (moved past the line entirely), then allowed to bring in friends of her choice and given great seats. Later someone in management gushed to her about how valuable to the club beautiful women such as her are. On Monday, Ugly Vanessa was shown arriving with friends and being made to wait, basically, until she went away. That was in spite of her politely offering to reserve hundreds of dollars worth of drinks and essentially being told that someone would come over and grant her entry.

 

[Bradford]

I've seen several parts of this ET series and I must say, I find it to be incredibly stupid and hypocritical. Really, fat and unattractive people are treated worse than skinny, attractive people - especially in situations that pride themselves on shallow exclusivity, i.e. nightclubs, expensive shops and basically the entire entertainment industry.

What's so hypocritical about this is the fact that Entertainment Tonight is one of the main parts of the all-celebrity, all beautiful people, all the time media outlets that create and promote this type of crap in the world today.

If ET really wants to do something about this, why not actually hire a correspondent or host who does not fit the Hollywood standards of beauty rather than just making someone up to look that way.

 

[faustian bargain]

Originally Posted by Bradford

....

If ET really wants to do something about this, why not actually hire a correspondent or host who does not fit the Hollywood standards of beauty rather than just making someone up to look that way.

because then nobody would watch.

it's a funny self-reflexive problem.

 

[mensimageconsultant]

Yes, the entertainment industry has contributed to the problem.

The low point of the exposÃ

was the end, when Vanessa Minnillo made a little speech about judging people on their exteriors. It was total fluff. To make an impact, it should have contained concrete advice, such as "Teach your children by example" or "Join mass boycotts against retailers that discriminate on appearance."

 

[Quirk]

I think we can all do our part by swearing off 'babe' threads and pics like this:

 

[Joffrey]

I dont know, I like beautiful people and being around beautiful people. Also in my experience I have been around shallow, horribly ugly people more than shallow, horrible good looking people. Ugly people woul get better treatment if they stopped looking or acting ugly. Look at seal (now married to Heidi) born with disfiguring disease, but has good style and is always smiling. And voila he's filthy rich and bedding a beautiful woman.

Its all in the attitude