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Discussion in 'B&S Archive' started by Mike C., Nov 30, 2003.

  1. Mike C.

    Mike C. Senior member

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    Is brand name spamming still prohibited on Ebay (the mentioning of other brand names in your description of your item)?

    I see some sellers doing this... most notably some of our own forum members? Last year I was sent an email from ebay telling me to stop it or else... whatever.

    I'm going to be listing an item within the next few days, and am wondering if I can do this. Thanks.
     
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    Nick M Senior member

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    Under the 'rules for sellers' section, eBay has this to say about it...

    I guess the main point here is 'excessive'. If you had, say, a shirt that was made by the company that makes shirts for Brioni (is it Baroni?), then you could probably legimately say, 'NWT shirt, like Brioni'. You couldn't say, however, 'like Brioni Kiton Armani Gucci', because it isn't.
     
  3. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I've been exposed  [​IMG] Ebay's keyword spamming policy used to be much more rigid. I got into a MAJOR dispute with them a couple of years ago. They were ending my auctions because I was including the Robb Report list of the five best ready-to-wear suits in my auctions for suits from makers on the list - for instance, I'd put the list (Oxxford, Kiton, Brioni, Isaia, Luciano Barbera) into a Brioni auction. Their argument was that I was including the list to throw search-engine results. That wasn't why I did it - it was legimate information that was relevant. I altered my auctions by replacing a vowel in each brand name (Br*oni for instance) to shut them up. They STILL insisted that I was violating their policy. I refused to modify my auctions that time around. Interestingly, their policy changed shortly thereafter and I've had no more trouble with them. Lately, out of sheer desperation, I've cheated a few times by putting comparable and better-known brand names into my auctions for items that are very high-quality but which have zero name-recognition. For instance, putting Incotex into the title line of an auction for Valentini trousers. The Valentini trousers are every bit as well-made but nobody has ever heard of them. Do you guys think this is dishonest or annoying of me??
     
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    I have never had a problem with this on ebay since the only things I buy there are artglass, and the one item of clothing that I search for (and am still searching for) is a Lanvin tie from an ad I saw a few years ago.

    I don't think that "spamming" is such a bad thing, as A.Harris said, to garner attention to something that has no recognition but is as well made. My problem stems from the fact when an item is said to be "as good as or better", when I know better.

    A.Harris, the Valentini brand may not be well known in the U.S, but it is in Europe, AND, they are not as nicely finished as Incotex Formale, maybe Informale. They are priced the same as Incotex Informale in such stores as the "Milan Store" in.........Milan..
     
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    Nope. If I'm looking for Incotex, I'm looking for a good pair of trousers, not a logo on the back pocket - if someone can show me a comparable pair of trousers, for a lower price, then I'd thank them for the heads-up. Someone in search of this kind of item would know what questions to ask to be assured of quality, and I'm sure you'd have the correct answers. Incidentally, Andrew, I'd like to commend you for having, by far, the best-quality photos on eBay - you never have anything in my size, of course, but at least I can see every detail of what I'm missing out on... Â [​IMG]
     
  6. Mike C.

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    A Harris, I agree with you... I'm going to be putting up my Ruffo trench coat soon, and no one has heard of Ruffo. The quality and price range are in the same area as Hermes. I'm looking to attract that type of buyer and don't see anything wrong with it.
     
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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You made good points on the Sartoriale pants so lets discuss these as well.

    The Valentini cords I have are lined, and they have a three-button waist closure, split waistband, reinforced waistband, reinforced pockets, sealed watch pocket, cross-stitched and shank-wrapped buttons, belt-keeper loop etc. The stitching and fabric is top notch.

    In my book that makes them at least as nice as the Incotex Formale collection, nicer if you prefer a three-button waist closure over the traditional metal clip. And they are definitely MUCH nicer than the two pairs of Incotex Informale cords I have here. In your experience, what specifically makes the Incotex slacks better than Valentini?? Does Incotex even make cords to Formale spec. ??
     
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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I have had no experience with Hermes leather, but I know what you mean about Ruffo. I've got a great Ruffo leather pea coat up for sale right now at a ridiculously low price and I've had no interest.


    Thanks Nick. I recently upgraded my camera and have been putting a lot more time into taking the pictures. It's good to know that the results are appreciated.
     
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    I don't know if you know this, but within the Incotex Informale line, there are different qualities, from the rough twills with less detailing to the higher end ultrafine cotton twills/ misto linos/ and wools. Again, you refer to the small booklet that comes with the pants, but the description there is so very abbreviated. When I look at my finest Informales, they have all the detailing that is listed as a Formale and much much more. For example, crotch pads, bemberg lining, etc. When I compare my 2 Valentinis to my Incotex Informales, they compare reasonbly well, although they lack some of the accoutrements of my finest Informales. Secondly, when I compare my Valentini twills to Informale twills, the material is much finer on the Incotex, which also has a nice sheen to it (lacking in the Valentini). I also prefer the waistband lining on hte Incotex, a nice soft herringbone twill, compared to a plain cotton ticking for the Valentini. There are many other differences to note. Suffice it to say, I consider the Valentinis to be eqivalent to the middle range Informales, but definitely not to the Formales. On a related note, The differences between Incotex's Informale and Formale lines get blurry as you get higher up on the Informale selections. One might even go so far as to say that the top of the line Informales is as well made as the Formales. I think the only differences between the two is the occasions when you wear them [​IMG] . On the other hand, the Satoriales are a totally different matter. For me, I like them as much as Kitons and Rotas.
     
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    Two things: Are you very sure that the Ruffo coat is the same price as a Hermes?? Same type of coat?

    We were in Florence in September and I have been to the Ruffo store, I personally do not think that their leathers and workmanship is as good as Hermes, and the prices there were no way close to an Hermes (in France). I don't think that they are as nice as LaMatta either.

    I have one Hermes jacket, and another by Seraphin (who makes Hermes' leather jackets). They are by far one of the finest and softest leathers around, and the detailing is exceptional. They can make goatsuede feel so much like cashmere.. My black Hermes is reindeer skin which has an unbelievable texture, like running your fingers thru soft warm butter. My Seraphin is goatsuede that feels like cashmere, and is treated to be water resistant, plus is has a light finish of something so when light hits it at a certain angle, it seems as it it has small gold flakes.
     
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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Obviously you have paid much closer attention to the quality of trousers than I have. Still, your reply is thoroughly confusing to me...

    I gather that there is degree of fluctuation in the detailing of different Incotex trousers, which seems related to the fabrics used. Perhaps there is similar fluctuation in the Valentini line.

    All I can go off of is what I see in front of me when I examine Valentini and Incotex trousers side-by-side. These particular Valentini's that I'm selling have more features and detailing than the Incotex Formale trousers that I've personally owned and sold. And they are in a completely different and higher league than the Incotex Informale cords that I'm offering.

    I will adjust my auctions somewhat to indicate that these Valentini's are, in my experience, slightly better than the Incotex Formale line. I appreciate your input, even if we don't agree.
     
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    My experience with leather has been, Cifonelli and Ruffo - nice, LaMatta, Seraphin, Schiatti and Salfra - very nice, Longhi - the best. Does this jive with your experience T4phage?
     
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    More or less, although I don't like Schiatti that much. I would put Seraphin near the very top. My wife's jacket is a testament to their skills in tanning.

    Zegna and Loro Piana have come out with some exceptional leather pieces, my wife and I did not get to see all of the new items that Piana were coming out with while we were in Florence because the winter collection was not complete yet. But what we did see/feel were something else .... although again, I think Seraphin is one of the finest leatherwear manufacturers around today.

    My wife has a coat made for her by Seraphin, and I have yet to feel another piece of leather that is as soft. It is goatskin and when you feel the coat, it is almost erotic. To top it off, being goatskin makes it extra durable.

    With Seraphin, one can choose the type of leather, from cowhide, lambskin, goat, etc, etc. As long as your wallet stays open, they will make it for you.
     
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    Did you know that Zegna bought Longhi and so Longhi is making their best leather now?

    Your fondness for Seraphin is echoed by one of the most knowledgeable and tasteful men in American retail - Wilkes Bashford. From what I've heard he considers Seraphin to be the best. I'm not really qualified to comment at length on Seraphin as I've seen a only very few pieces. What I saw was nice though.

    Your wardrobe must be amazing to behold..
     
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    UPS just came by and dropped off my two Tino Cosma 8ply ties.............SWEET. One exactly like the one in the September issue of Robb's Report, in blue copper paisley, the other in tone on tone copper paisley. [​IMG] [​IMG] The Tino Cosma people are really nice. I contacted them in Milan since the Limited edition 8plys were not available here in the Netherlands. Since they had some material left, they made it up for me. Almost as good as going to some fabric stores in Florence/Rome/Milan where they have a tie maker on the premises and you chose your fabric, they make the tie for you in the style that you want.
     

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