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Drapers - good flannel cloths?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by epa, Sep 17, 2007.

  1. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    For middle weight flannels (500-520grams/17oz), I have liked the woollen flannels from:
    www.gorina.es contact person is Anna: e-mail duran @ gorina.es (Barcelona, Spain)
    On the home page, to the right, click on Nuerstras Sedes to get the phone number & e-mail contact

    They also have lighter weight flannels in solid colors & chalkstripes in the 450gram/15oz range


    The AF blue looks yummy though a little light but I think that is due to it being in direct sunlight
     
  2. aj_del

    aj_del Senior member

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    Scabal are both, they own their own mills, but also source cloth from other mills as they can't make everything. I think Dormeuil are purely a merchant.

    Some of the John G, Hardy jacketings are made by VBC as it says so on the selvege. Personally, I don't care.


    I think if Hardy (or Drapers in this case) are getting cloth made to their design and/or specifications then the cloth can be said to be Hardy/Drapers. In case they are reselling stock VBC cloth, then they are merely resellers. I feel that supplying the Drapers label is also dishonest. For me, its not a Drapers cloth plain and simple, its a VBC cloth and if I wanted VBC cloth I could have got it from VBC for VBC prices.
     
  3. George

    George Senior member

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    I think if Hardy (or Drapers in this case) are getting cloth made to their design and/or specifications then the cloth can be said to be Hardy/Drapers. In case they are reselling stock VBC cloth, then they are merely resellers. I feel that supplying the Drapers label is also dishonest. For me, its not a Drapers cloth plain and simple, its a VBC cloth and if I wanted VBC cloth I could have got it from VBC for VBC prices.
    I suspect it's more common than you think. There are only so many mills producing goods, a lot of the cloth is duplicated in the merchants books, more so the staple cloths. Stop fussing, put it down to experience and enjoy your suit.
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    VBC is the lower-cost, lower-quality make from Barbera.
     
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    ^^ I know that VBC is totally different from Carlo Barbera and that is why I am pissed. I was hoping to get Carlo Barbera cloth and ended up with VBC.
     
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    ^^ I know that VBC is totally different from Carlo Barbera and that is why I am pissed. I was hoping to get Carlo Barbera cloth and ended up with VBC.
    Hold on, I thought, you thought you were getting Drapers cloth, not Carlo Barbera cloth?
     
  7. aj_del

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    Carlo Barbera is rumored to the maker of some of Drapers' cloths. I was hoping that the one I chose would be the one that was made by CB rather than VBC.
     
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    Carlo Barbera is rumored to the maker of some of Drapers' cloths. I was hoping that the one I chose would be the one that was made by CB rather than VBC.

    No offence but it seems like you have noone to blame but yourself.

    You took a chance and lost.
     
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    George Senior member

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    Carlo Barbera is rumored to the maker of some of Drapers' cloths. I was hoping that the one I chose would be the one that was made by CB rather than VBC.
    They probably do, for the reasons I stated above. I remember Carlo Barbara making jacketing for Lessers, but. I think this was said on the book. Something along the lines of "Carlo Barbera for Lessers" or some such. I just think you need to chalk this one to experience, ith all this fussing you're potentially infecting this suit with bad karma, you need to chill, and I mean Yogi levels of chill. [​IMG]
     
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    I would agree with you if it was a Drapers branded cloth and I learnt here that it was a VBC cloth. I was not expecting a Carlo Barbera cloth, I was expecting a Drapers cloth which might have been made by CB.
     
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    TRINI Senior member

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    Carlo Barbera is rumored to the maker of some of Drapers' cloths. I was hoping that the one I chose would be the one that was made by CB rather than VBC.

    No offence but it seems like you have noone to blame but yourself.

    You took a chance and lost.


    I would agree with you if it was a Drapers branded cloth and I learnt here that it was a VBC cloth. I was not expecting a Carlo Barbera cloth, I was expecting a Drapers cloth which might have been made by CB.

    Either way, it seems like you didn't know what you were getting when you made the purchase....
     
  12. Sterling Gillette

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    The only way for you to be happy again seems to be selling the cloth on to somebody who can appreciate the it for its properties and not for its label and get the VBC one. The price difference will be lost in the resale, but who cares as long as you have your VBC-VBC, instead of the meant-to-be-by-Barbera-but-turned-out-to-be-by-VBC-Drapers.
     
  13. poorsod

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    Super pissed at Drapers.

    Order a dark grey flannel cloth from their books which my tailor arranged through their Indian distributor. It was an Italian cloth in 9.5oz so I thought it would be OK weight wise for India. Cost was around 177 USD a meter.

    It arrived today and it is a VBC Supers 120s flannel cloth with the same selvedge as regular VBC cloth. The only difference is the Drapers tag instead of VBC tag. VBC flannel is 110 USD a meter in India.

    So basically paid 67 USD x 3.5 meters extra for the privilege of getting a Drapers tag. [​IMG]


    I saw a piece of fabric at Tip Top the other day which said VBC for Drapers on the selvedge. I don't know if all VBC for drapers have that marking on the selvedge but are you sure you were delivered the real thing?
     
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    Is Gorina still around? Anyone know of contacts for them?
     
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