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Looks like corrected grain calf to me.
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maybe you havent understand what i have said!! lets be a little more clear!! you need about 3-4 layers of wax polish to go from 0-100% on a new pare of shoes of ordinary calf skin!! (if the shoes are from high grade of calf leather and the surface is smooth you ll be ready with 2-3 layers)!! after that you ll need one apply(on coat) every month to maintain the mirror effect!(of course with noone crazy dance on your shoes) !! that makes 15-16 coats per year! if someone step on your mirror shine then add 3 coats!! if you look after your shoes and wont be clamsy you ll never go over 20-21 coats per year!! in most cases after the month on drop of cream polish over mirror shine with a buff of microfiber cloth(like the one in the sunglasses) it ll restore your mirror shine to his former glory!!! thats what i do and i think i has a great effect !! hope i helped and made it more clear what i meant
I have not seen any official statement of what is in Renovateur. I have seen one shoe-care site say that it contains "beeswax mink oil, hoof foot oil, and lanolin", but I don't know whether that is correct, let alone what else might be in it. If you have a MSDS, or other information on the contents of Renovateur, please post it.
in that one week he has posted tauting Saphir products all over SF no less than 15 times.
either he works for them, for hangar project, or is in fact simply trolling.
Of course renomat contains voc it is intended as a wax stripper. To fault it for that is like saying you should not use wine to get intoxicated because it contains alcohol . I am not sure how Patrick Booths issues with Renovateur evolved into this Renomat witch hunt
Here (Consulter la fiche de sécurité) is a MSDS of Renomat, which contains 10–25% isohexane, 25–50% chlorobenzene, 2.5–10% butyl acetate, and 2.5–10% surfactant.
I don't know whether VOC decreases a water(moisture) content of leather, even if VOC decreases, the decrease would be only a temporary phenomenon and be spontaneously restored from surrounding air, because a water content of leather is determined by relative humidity. Weinheimer leder proposes a relative humidity of 60–70% for storage, but it is so high that used leathers will mold. I feel leathers need a relative humidity of 50–60%.
FIG.8 from here.
By the way, if you need to moisturize, here is a new product, Mizuno Pro Leather Care Slime, which contains hyaluronan, non-ionic surfactant, and copolymer. While Lexol cleaner contains glycerin as a moisturizing agent, I feel hyaluronan is expensive and excessive.
I am sure this anti - Saphir agenda is confusing at best and patently false at worst. Imo It defeats the purpose of this thread that is the passing of helpful info from one to another I think we would all benefit by ceasing to confuse our opinions with facts and accept them for what they are, just opinions
Some people like a mirror shine on their shoes. Apparently maintaining this involves applying many layers of wax. Keeping the shine apparently requires frequent repetition.
That sounds fine. For calf leathers such as G&G RTW, EG, etc, they are dyed and antiqued with weak finish so doesn't make much sense to use renovator in the beginning to change the factory finish unless its the intent.
I would rather trust bespoke shoemakers instead of saphir distributors...
They know you should only use their overpriced, rebadged Saphir polishes!!
Certain individual has been trolling in some venders favor. Nothing against HP, but they are never the shoe experts. Saphir was popular on this forum way longer than HP has been around.
And yes, HP's shoe care regiment is bad for most customers. Renomat is as bad as acetone or dye removers to all shoes. And renovator is a good product but its like those 2-in-1 shampoo + conditioners; a lazy man's solution. Caveat emptor.
Looks like corrected grain calf to me.
Ron, thank you for your comments!!
My issue with the new venders is their usage guides/manuals, generally going the process of using RenoMat, Dubbin, Renovator, and then cream and waxes.
This has mislead quite a few individuals and made them use RenoMat on brand news shoes stripping parts of the finish. Or have them use dubbins on shoes and cant raise a shine. Or have them used Renovator all over their brand new crust leather antique painted finishes and blurred the finish.
I like the products, but the education/usage guides found online are doing more harm than benefits.
You were asking about colors - and if you're going to invest anything in the Saphir Products - the most helpful and recommended official full-color item is the following:Chogall,
What do you recommend for the crust leather shoes from Edward Green? I do not care about the mirror shine or changing the color of the leather. I would like to nourish and maintain the existent color whatever came from the factory.
Thank you in advance.
RenoMat on brand new shoes? What the hell would anyone need to do that for? I've heard the Dubbin on finished calfskins before, and don't know where that comes from......I need to look over some of their sites I suppose.
You don't need to use Renovateur on new shoes either......no benefit there.
I guess that's the danger of the internet - when I was young we had the downtown shop with a separate repair shop in the basement and a very busy shine stand on the street - was easy to show people who were interested how to care for their shoes. Now........
Thanks for the valuable input Ron. Enjoyed reading it!
Thanks for the valuable input Ron. Enjoyed reading it!
There are some that use Renomat on brand new shell cordovan shoes to remove any factory cream or polish before adding renovateur. They claim it allows for a much better shine on shell cordovan shoes. Any harm in using it on shell?
RenoMat on brand new shoes? What the hell would anyone need to do that for? I've heard the Dubbin on finished calfskins before, and don't know where that comes from......I need to look over some of their sites I suppose.
You don't need to use Renovateur on new shoes either......no benefit there.
I guess that's the danger of the internet - when I was young we had the downtown shop with a separate repair shop in the basement and a very busy shine stand on the street - was easy to show people who were interested how to care for their shoes. Now........
Chogall,
What do you recommend for the crust leather shoes from Edward Green? I do not care about the mirror shine or changing the color of the leather. I would like to nourish and maintain the existent color whatever came from the factory.
Thank you in advance.