Suit without tie guidelines?

[Metlin]

^^^ Bad. Ass.

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by Bentley

Would a button-down collar work with this look and simultaneously serve the purpose of keeping the collar inside the jacket?
The button-down is not nearly so subject to that nasty roll-under...

 

[cptjeff]

Politics aside, Obama does it pretty well.

 

[Metlin]

Originally Posted by cptjeff

Politics aside, Obama does it pretty well.

Really? I would disagree. I mean, I can understand why he does it, but I always feel like something's missing when he's wearing a jacket with no tie.

 

[Nicola]

Originally Posted by Felix Krull

With all due respect to Mr. Brosnan, this look is for pimps and gigolos. Unless you're as cool as this guy:

Uploaded with ImageShack.us then the tie-less look is not for you!

That's not a suit.

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by Felix Krull

With all due respect to Mr. Brosnan, this look is for pimps and gigolos. Unless you're as cool as this guy: Uploaded with ImageShack.us then the tie-less look is not for you!
Just to comment on the photo, rather than the text of the post, remember that in To Catch a Theft, in this scene, Mr. Grant's character is at a beach resort during the day in the mid 1950's about to call on a lady fair (day resort romantic social). You can also see he is also wearing an ascot or neckercheif and, thus, his neck is not exposed. And note that the waistband is not exposed and that there is plenty of material in those slacks. So, Mr. Grant's character is not breaking any sartorial rules of the day, but demonstrating their proper application by a gentleman of his age and class to project the desired image for this particular venue. Mr. Grant was quite well turned out in this film (as usual.) and sports several looks that the boulevardier could copy today with confidence. This looked good in 1955, it looks good now, and it will look good for as long as Orsini is ambulatory. This is why, for Orsini, it is not necessary to break new ground, but only to look to the past and try to emulate the masters. And to loose some weight, of course...

 

[TimelesStyle]

Originally Posted by Orsini

Just to comment on the photo, rather than the text of the post, remember that in To Catch a Theft, in this scene, Mr. Grant's character is at a beach resort during the day in the mid 1950's about to call on a lady faire (day resort romantic social). You can also see he is also wearing an ascot or neckercheif and, thus, his neck is not exposed. And note that the waistband is not exposed and that there is plenty of material in those slacks.

So, Mr. Grant's character is not breaking any sartorial rules of the day, but demonstrating their proper application by a gentleman of his age and class to project the desired image for this particular venue.

Mr. Grant was quite well turned out in this film (as usual.) and sports several looks that the boulevardier could copy today with confidence.

This looked good in 1955, it looks good now, and it will look good for as long as Orsini is ambulatory.

This is why, for Orsini, it is not necessary to break new ground, but only to look to the past and try to emulate the masters. And to loose some weight, of course...


I disagree that wearing trousers up to the middle button on a 3b jacket looks current today.

 

[TimelesStyle]

Originally Posted by Metlin

Really? I would disagree. I mean, I can understand why he does it, but I always feel like something's missing when he's wearing a jacket with no tie.

No, you're just mistaking the "something missing" from his speech to be something missing from his outfit.

But, like you said, his intentions are obvious, a tie is a bourgeois accessory not needed by a man of the people who wants to give away other people's money in order to win a second term (hey, I never promised to keep politics out of it

).

 

[Merlino]

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

It's funny how suave and stylish Brad Pitt is supposed to look in this movie, but to anybody with even a hint of what to look for knows that his suit looks like a god damn train wreck. It's sad how the majority of the population will see nothing wrong with his outfit.

You have to bear in mind Pitt's playing a character in a movie. The character he's playing typically wouldn't have the first clue about sartorial elegance, so it wouldn't make sense for the costume designers to dress him in Savile Row head-to-toe. In addition, he's supposed to look Vegas suave

Another example, it'd look really weird if the cops on Law & Order or some other police show would be dressed well. Cops on shows are supposed to be dressed sloppy with one button undone and a tie not tied properly.

 

[AHDK]

For me it depends on the situation.

If I am going to a after dinner party with some fine dining, then surely it would be with tie.

If I am going to a casual bar for a relaxed drink, then I would leave the tie at home.


In my humble opinion its good to be well dressed for the occasion, but one also has to not be too "dressed".

 

[dieselman89]

Originally Posted by Orsini

The "rule" would be to wear a tie.

I agree. Although the suit w/no tie look is becoming a little more chic, at the end of the day most my shirt collars will not stand up to where it looks good. Also, I think the tie is such an added piece to the wardrobe/suit. A tie can make or break an outfit. Also, I think the tie looks sharper and more professional.

 

[dieselman89]

Originally Posted by cptjeff

Politics aside, Obama does it pretty well.

Yea........ NO! He is awful. He needs a tie. First off he is the President, he should wear a tie and take time to look good. Not like some schlump which is what he looks like in this picture.

 

[cptjeff]

Originally Posted by dieselman89

Yea........ NO! He is awful. He needs a tie. First off he is the President, he should wear a tie and take time to look good. Not like some schlump which is what he looks like in this picture.

So you're already prejudiced to believe that no tie automatically looks bad, and that a tie is necessary for proprietary? Remind me why you clicked on this thread again?

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by TimelesStyle

I disagree that wearing trousers up to the middle button on a 3b jacket looks current today.
I didn't say it looked "current." I said it "looked good." edit: To Orsini, "current" is irrelevant. Except when is is not, of course...

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by dieselman89

I agree. Although the suit w/no tie look is becoming a little more chic, at the end of the day most my shirt collars will not stand up to where it looks good. Also, I think the tie is such an added piece to the wardrobe/suit. A tie can make or break an outfit. Also, I think the tie looks sharper and more professional.
My original post was an observation, not a judgment. Assuming this look were intended for evening romantic social (remember, it is a character in a photoplay), Orsini simply has no reason to want to do this. For this venue, if Orsini had the budget and the figure, he would do this: http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/...ing-dress.html