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Waiting for your proposal here, Einstein.
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Waiting for your proposal here, Einstein.
Funny to hear this discussion. In Denmak it's "free" to study....you actually getting paid to study. You get around $500 a month if you live at home and $1000 if you live by yourself. It's all getting paid for through the taxes...which are pretty high of course. But frankly I wouldn't want it any other way and neither does the vast majority of the danes.
Whereas, I don't see myself being in more than one or two thousand pounds of debt, if that.
Your system (and the Swedish system) only work if enough people are - putting it simply - ideologically on-board.
Funny to hear this discussion.
Your system (and the Swedish system) only work if enough people are - putting it simply - ideologically on-board.
Well, I don't know the specific particulars of the Danish system, but I'm guessing it in essense is similar to the one I grew up with, the Norwegian system. ... Simply put, from the standstead of economics I think this system is absurd, and it is no way an efficient way of solving the economic problem of gaining the most from scarce resources. It runs up the costs of the actual service production as a government entity can be run without making a profit which tends to cause inefficiency. In addition, as I already mentioned, it causes some pretty sever misallocations as the cost/benefit calculation only takes into account the benefit, because someone else bears the cost. From a moral point of view I think it's deplorable, as you are in the business of imposing on person A the costs of person Bs decisions, decisions person B made for his/her own benefit. I have never heard a convincing argument for why it should be the job of those who gain their experience through work to be paying the bills of those who gain it through formal education, and I don't think it is morally acceptable to do so.
I know what you mean. I think you have to have special mentality about the whole system. I don't think you could make it work today if it wasn't already in place.
Your entire post is invalidated by the fact that... their system works. And has worked for many many years.
Wow! To have that little debt post law (or Med) school would be miraculous. think of the obscene damage one could do in B&S.
What is your basis for stating that it works? What constitutes a "working" system to you?
My objection is with the economics of the situation and the vast ammount of resources that are being pissed out of the window on a daily basis. Expenditures which if each taxpayer was confronted with each expense and could see clearly where the money was going would seem outrageous, but which in the current system is lumped together and presented as one bill that's seen as simply the cost of living in Norway.
If you've found flaws in my argument, feel free to point them out and I will try to adress them, but the objection that "it works" is a silly one because how would one know if it wasn't? What I am talking about is the efficiency of the system and the cost of providing these services within the system. My objection is simply that the system will not give you your money's worth for the simple reason that it's grossly inefficient, which is both what an economic analysis of the system would lead me to believe, and my experience from growing up wasting my childhood and youth in the Norwegian Educational system while my father was paying about 50% of his income in taxes. The fact that the system is in place does not prove that it deserves to be in place.
The Swedish implementation of socialism has worked for 60 years.
(I'm using the term 'Swedish' in this post because it's fairly representative of the 'Scandinavian model' and I'm familiar with it)