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Posting same topic here and on AAAC forums??

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Casanova White, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. robin

    robin Well-Known Member

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    It was called ... Cruising.
    Amazing.
     
  2. Sator

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    SF is one of the only forums that has stayed consistently interesting, but mostly I think it is because we "self-moderate." If a really dumb/overbearing poster suddenly bursts onto the scene, MANY members will step into keep things "normal." I don't know about AAAC, but at the other fora, a sense of overly-PC moderating started to kill the vibe. Here, we can call an idiot an idiot. Other places, you'd get "timed out" for telling the truth and saying that a member was dictating TOO MUCH with too little reason.


    Things have always been kept rather polite at Andyland and it is clear that Cruiser has taken advantage of this, to set himself up as chief troll at Ask Cruiser About Jeans. Rather than risk being censured for raising their voices over him it looks like all the forum stalwarts have politely "left the room" in silent protest. It looks like Medwards is fighting a lonely rear guard action and trying to instigate some stimulating conversation, but it is rarely leading anywhere. He is even resorting to talking about tattoos for want of any other topic of conversation (at least they are bespoke, I guess [​IMG]). I wonder how long it will be before he and the other moderators throw in the towel like Will and walk away.
     
  3. JLibourel

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    Things have always been kept rather polite at Andyland and it is clear that Cruiser has taken advantage of this, to set himself up as chief troll at Ask Cruiser About Jeans. Rather than risk being censured for raising their voices over him it looks like all the forum stalwarts have politely "left the room" in silent protest. It looks like Medwards is fighting a lonely rear guard action and trying to instigate some stimulating conversation, but it is rarely leading anywhere. He is even resorting to talking about tattoos for want of any other topic of conversation (at least they are bespoke, I guess [​IMG]). I wonder how long it will be before he and the other moderators throw in the towel like Will and walk away.

    Well, I think the [selectively] enforced "politeness" at Andyland was one of the things that led me to "leave the room." The story goes that I had mentioned changing out of some rather grubby clothing I had been wearing (after doing housecleaning and yard work) and putting on my old blue blazer with an ascot and pocket square to go to the market. Cruiser took the occasion to make this slam at my wife:

    "Of course I think any woman that marries a man who dons an ascot and pocket square to go to the market is most likely just a gold digging slut who thinks he has money, not much better than a 'hoe.' In fact, she's not as good because at least the hoe isn't pretending to be something she isn't. I'm not talking about anyone personally, just the typical tramp that would take up with a guy like that."

    Since I had seen better men banned from Andyland for a hell of a lot less, I fully expected the axe to fall on Cruiser. Nothing happened. He wasn't banned. He was even suspended. After a few days, it became apparent to me that at least the foremost among the moderators there was taking an avuncular and downright sympathetic attitude toward Cruiser. Naturally, I had felt a temptation to lay into Cruiser, but I felt it would just degrade me to his level and risk getting myself banned. Therefore I quietly took my leave, six months ago to this very day.

    As I have said elsewhere regarding forum moderation, I can live very happily with a "tight ship" if a firm but fair hand is at the helm. Arbitrary and capricious despotism, rank favoritism, flagrant political partisanship and outright bullying are not things I will long endure.
     
  4. dopey

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    May I ask what is the real difference between
    . . . and risk getting myself banned.
    and
    Therefore I quietly took my leave, six months ago to this very day.
    The quote you attributed to Cruiser is worse than appalling.
     
  5. Manton

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    "Of course I think any woman that marries a man who dons an ascot and pocket square to go to the market is most likely just a gold digging slut who thinks he has money, not much better than a 'hoe.' In fact, she's not as good because at least the hoe isn't pretending to be something she isn't. I'm not talking about anyone personally, just the typical tramp that would take up with a guy like that."

    One of my favorite cheap tricks, the transparently obvious passive-agressive blind attack. Favored by particularly cowardly trolls. Call them on it, and they say "Who, me? I had no one in mind. If anyone thinks I meant him, he must have reasons deep down which make him think so."

    The big fat rabbit who is always late loves this trick above all.
     
  6. sweisman

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    I had been reading both fora for a while, mostly as entertainment and to increase my knowledge in regards to different aspects of fashion and other interests. Having said that, when I first started posting, I did just what the OP is talking about. I posted a couple of questions on AAAC to no avail...I posted the same questions on SF. In each case I received answers on SF from gents willing to educate me on whatever knowledge I was seeking to gain. I felt the folks on AAAC weren't willing to give the time of day...been here ever since. Atmosphere here is more inviting and "real."
     
  7. greyinla

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    I'm a longtime poster on AA and longtime lurker here. Some of the AA members are super-knowledgeable, but more and more I'm finding AA is "polite" only so long as one holds to a certain political (and satorial) orthodoxy. The banter here is more freewheeling, but maybe more diverse.

    And "shoe porn" is a great thread title...[​IMG]
     
  8. Orsini

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    Well, I think the [selectively] enforced "politeness"... (snipped for brevity)
    I must have missed all that when it originally happened. I searched for awhile and actually found that post. That's terrible! I blew my top over there the other day. I do not feel nearly so badly about it after reading that thread. You know, gents, there has got to be an underlying reason why this is all happening and being tolerated. I wonder what it is.
     
  9. robin

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    You know, gents, there has got to be an underlying reason why this is all happening and being tolerated. I wonder what it is.
    Money and advertising?
     
  10. Manton

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    Money and advertising?

    That argument never made any sense to me. Whatever is going on, I don't see the connection. How would it serve anyone's commercial interests to make the site less interesting to core members, and to drive it's traffic down?

    Beyond that, whatever one thinks of the moderation of the site, I haven't seen any evidence that decisions have been driven by anyone's commercial interests.
     
  11. Orsini

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    Money and advertising?
    I do not understand. Members are leaving, I think, and the number of threads looks to me like it is down from the not too distant past. How would that bring in more money or help advertising?
     
  12. Orsini

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    ...I haven't seen any evidence that decisions have been driven by anyone's commercial interests.
    Yes, I guess "follow the money" does not work. What about other interests? What could they be? What could explain it?
     
  13. robin

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    I just threw that out there as a thought. Speaking from personal experiences though, certain advertisers do not like being associated with some types of discussion.
     
  14. Orsini

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    I just threw that out there as a thought. Speaking from personal experiences though, certain advertisers do not like being associated with some types of discussion.
    Yes, advertisers are skittish about stuff like that -- for good reason. But I cannot think of any reason that makes any logical sense to me. At the risk of being one of those passive-aggressive bunnies that Manton was talking about, I think I will at least try to calm up for awhile...
     
  15. EL72

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    Don't try to look for logic in some places. An online community with thousands of members interacting on a daily basis can be a pretty complex system where things do not necessarily evolve according to some underlying plan or design.
     
  16. JLibourel

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    Yes, I guess "follow the money" does not work.

    What about other interests? What could they be? What could explain it?


    If my intellect had been as astute in financial matters as it was gifted in some other areas, I am sure I would enjoying a comfortable, nay, even opulent retirement, and I don't know if I would be spending time in men's clothing fora. However, even I can comprehend this much: You are running the largest men's clothing forum in the world. Now, where is the money today--in ascots, pocket squares, spectator shoes, that sort of stuff, or in T-shirts, hoodies, blue jeans, sneakers and garb of that ilk? If Ask Andy can attract more participants interested in the latter kind of apparel and with the advertising to follow, it could be a friggin' gold mine.

    I really hate to think ill of Andy, of whom I am personally very fond and think of as one of the world's genuine nice guys, but this thought has crossed my mind previously. And, frankly, if sacrificing the Ken Pollocks and the Jan Libourels to the Cruisers and Gabba Gouls is going to bring in tens of thousands of dollars in increased ad revenue to the site, I honestly don't know if I would have acted differently under the same circumstances.

    Sorry, Andy, if I am traducing you unjustly, but it has been the most plausible hypothesis that has presented itself to me.
     
  17. AlanC

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    Apparently you've been reading our top secret memos. I'm already picking out the island I want to buy.
     
  18. Matt

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    sacrificing the Ken Pollocks and the Jan Libourels to the Cruisers
    well for whatever it is worth Jan, I would not trade Cruiser's entire post-ography for your "if the lass was clean enough" line.
     
  19. acidboy

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    Well, I think the [selectively] enforced "politeness" at Andyland was one of the things that led me to "leave the room." The story goes that I had mentioned changing out of some rather grubby clothing I had been wearing (after doing housecleaning and yard work) and putting on my old blue blazer with an ascot and pocket square to go to the market. Cruiser took the occasion to make this slam at my wife:

    "Of course I think any woman that marries a man who dons an ascot and pocket square to go to the market is most likely just a gold digging slut who thinks he has money, not much better than a 'hoe.' In fact, she's not as good because at least the hoe isn't pretending to be something she isn't. I'm not talking about anyone personally, just the typical tramp that would take up with a guy like that."

    Since I had seen better men banned from Andyland for a hell of a lot less, I fully expected the axe to fall on Cruiser. Nothing happened. He wasn't banned. He was even suspended. After a few days, it became apparent to me that at least the foremost among the moderators there was taking an avuncular and downright sympathetic attitude toward Cruiser. Naturally, I had felt a temptation to lay into Cruiser, but I felt it would just degrade me to his level and risk getting myself banned. Therefore I quietly took my leave, six months ago to this very day.

    As I have said elsewhere regarding forum moderation, I can live very happily with a "tight ship" if a firm but fair hand is at the helm. Arbitrary and capricious despotism, rank favoritism, flagrant political partisanship and outright bullying are not things I will long endure.


    WOW! I knew there was a controversy but I didn't know it went down like that!!!

    Interestingly enough, and I don't intend to fan the flames further, that member also mentioned about this issue in the tattoo thread today.
     
  20. JLibourel

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    well for whatever it is worth Jan, I would not trade Cruiser's entire post-ography for your "if the lass was clean enough" line.

    Thanks, Matt.

    In a perverse sense, I kind of enjoy Cruiser at this point. He is so thoroughly lowbrow and obnoxious that he fills the position of The Man We Love to Hate, much like the villains in professional wrestling.
     

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