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Fantastic! Thanks again for the investigation JS! That is just a sock liner then. AE has been experimenting with putting sock liners in some models (the Patriot has one too). It is nothing different than what you find in pretty much all other nice Goodyear-welted shoes. In fact, AE has been pretty much the only company that doesn't use them.
Remember, their primary purpose is to cover up the nails that are driven through the insole to attach the heel. However, AE doesn't drive nails through the insole like all the other Goodyear-welted shoe manufacturers do. Thus, the sock liner isn't "necessary." Some people enjoy the added cushion that it provides for the heel, and have considered it to be one of the negatives against AE for not using them over the years. Personally, I don't really care. I'm perfectly happy to buy a pair with them though. It's nothing more than a thin leather covered cushion that is adhered to the top of the insole. They don't affect the potential longevity of the shoe in a negative way (the way the full Poron insoles may), and can be easily pulled out and replaced as needed.
I received this today from the manager of the store that I frequent:
I hope this finds you well. I am writing to give you some advance notice on our upcoming annual storewide sale. The sale runs from September 30th - October 14th. All Allen Edmonds branded products are offered at a minimum discount of 15% off during this sale period. We have selected 13 shoes styles to be offered at deeper discounts. Click on the hyperlinks to view the shoes.
Delray<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF1208_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($345 Reg)
Fifth Avenue<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF5705_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($345 Reg)
Grayson<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF169_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($345)
Franciscan<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF5313_1_40000000001_-1> - $259 ($345 Reg)
Long Branch<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF6021_1_40000000001_-1> - $259 ($350 Reg)
McTavish<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF4035_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($295 Reg)
Neumok<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF4025_1_40000000001_-1> - $199 ($260 Reg)
Patriot<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF4906_1_40000000001_-1> - $259 ($259 Reg)
Rothsay<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF9795_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($295 Reg)
Shaker Heights <http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF8722_1_40000000001_-1> - $299 ($395 Reg)
Strand <http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF6105_1_40000000001_-1> - $289 ($345 Reg - Brogue Suede only)
Voyager<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF6180_1_40000000001_-1> - $199 ($275 Reg)
Wilbert<http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF1951_1_40000000001_-1> - $239 ($295 Reg)
Please let me know what styles you might be interested and I will ensure that I have the correct inventory for you. Thank you for your continued support
I was in an AE store today and saw the suede Strand as well. It had an insole similar to the one pictured above but the one I saw was a little different. The one I saw didn't have the holes around the edge of the Poron heel portion and instead of being straight cut, it was cut on a diagonal and the rest was leather just like the photo above.
Also, the salesman confirmed that the next sale will start on Sep 30 on all models - at least 15% off.
I believe the only reason the sock liner is in there is because it has a dainite sole. I was working with Allison on my MTO and asked about adding a Dainite sole. She said it wouldn't be a problem, but if I went with any full rubber sole the leather sock liner would be necessary. She really didn't explain why, but I think only rubber soled shoes will have this liner.
Interesting that there seems to be some different ones, but it sounds like they all have the traditional insole with a sock liner, which I'm ok with.
By any chance, was the sock liner in the pair you saw more like the one in the Patriot (see below)? Enlarge the picture, and you can see the angled cut just behind the tongue:
It may have something to do with the way the heels are attached (requiring nails). However, that doesn't quite make sense to me either, given that the Patriot (as I mentioned above) has a sock liner.
Yea. I guess I should have asked her to explain further, but since I decided against the Dainite I didn't want to waste her time. What she said was:
"putting a rubber sole on will cause us to have to put a heel pad with a leather sock liner in the insole"
I think the key wording here is "heel pad".
Yes, I would say it looked just like that.
Hi Fellas! This is a PSA for some Allen Edmonds Belts at Sierra Trading Post.
They end up being $23.37/ea! Limited Sizes
You do have to have their Key Code from today: EB091013B
If you download their app for your phone they'll treat you to Free Shipping.
Thank you. Just a heads up, there is no belts in a 34. Also, as above, shipping to Canada is insane.