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post #496 of 1859
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Thanks guys!


I'm really looking for some specifics. It will literally fall apart after 5 minutes? Or just won't look great? Specifically how does it compare to one that costs $1000 (from Hong Kong)?


This is a viable route. I fit OTR reasonably well already (I'm 6'2", 180lbs, average build) so MTM may be good enough. Is the fabric they use better than I would get if I wanted bespoke?

Quality based on fabric alone is an over-simplification. TCNY have mostly Italian mills to choose from, but the attention to detail and fit will not be as good as Y WIlliam Y (I don't even think Chan is good anymore). Also bespoke operation will be more patient to your need. If you have a chance, please do visit Baroman in Central, I think they are the most orthodox British Bespoke operation in Hong Kong, price might be outside your range. But if you like suits that used to look like in old Hollywood star it is worth to check it out.
post #497 of 1859
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Simpson Sin: Popular due to their appearance on No Reservations with Tony Bourdain. Probably not great value. Not a lot of discussion on these boards about them.

 

I actually think they are a great value. I went to them long before Bourdain (even though that was fun when I was on the couch and spit out my drink and yelled "Hey that's the tailor I used!!!" to my wife, who was less than amused.) by virtue of staying at the Hyatt Regency which is in the same complex.

 

If you know what you want, and don't expect Savile Row goods, you will have a fine experience. I use Poole for suits, but get shirts from Simpson Sin. Actually going to see Tony (the manager you saw in Bourdain) next week in DC, they are on their spring visit right now. My buddy got a suit with some fantastic fabric from them last year when we were in HKG for around a grand IIRC.
 

post #498 of 1859
I have few friends used Y William Yu, but most of them didn't do repeat order with them, it should tell you something.
I finally gave Baromon a try, their craftmenship is the best in Hong Kong IMHO, but the cut is old fashioned.

here is the pad stitching of my coat:

post #499 of 1859
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I have few friends used Y William Yu, but most of them didn't do repeat order with them, it should tell you something.
I finally gave Baromon a try, their craftmenship is the best in Hong Kong IMHO, but the cut is old fashioned.

Yeah, I have seen other posters state that Y. William Yu was not on a par with the very top HK tailors.

Your assessment of Baroman seems to be what everybody says about them, unsurpassed for workmanship but stodgy styling. I believe they are often compared to the American firm of Oxxford.
post #500 of 1859
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My ideal price point is $500. That's adjustable but I'm really looking for good value. Obviously I would prefer bespoke and canvass, but if it's better value to get half canvass that might be OK. I'd like to avoid MTM and fused. The main reason I can't make a decision is I'm not really sure what the difference in price actually reflects. I hear people say you get better fabrics, or that the cheap one "looks like shit" but I'd love to hear some more specifics information. Is the difference that noticeable between the $5,000HKD and $10,000HKD suits? I have a few higher end OTR suits right now (Burberry, Z Zegna) and a MTM from Holt Renfrew (similar to Nordstrom's for the US) and I would be more than happy with something similarly well made (I'm not expecting it to look or fit like an Ermenegildo Zegna suit).

US$500 is not enough to get a decent suit made in HK. If that is your budget, I honestly think it is safer to get a reasonably well fitting suit OTR and have it altered. I think there are 2 big misconceptions with regards to bespoke tailoring in HK: (i) the first is that a bespoke garment will fit you perfectly/be everything you want in a suit, (ii) the second is that you can get an amazing suit at bargain prices.

With regards to (i), bespoke is an ongoing process. It's highly possible the first suit will not be right in various respects, and that the end result improves over the course of subsequent commissions. This is true even with high end tailors (in HK or anywhere else).

WIth regards to (ii), I have never seen a suit from a tailor in HK operating in the US$500 price range that fits execptionally well and looks well made. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but generally if there was a tailor cutting exceptional suits people would find out about them and they would soon be able to command more than US$500 a suit. Likewise, at US$500 the fabric and quality of construction are likely to be mediocre, hence the comments re the suit falling apart after 5 minutes.

That's why I say if US$500 is your price range you may be better off just buying off the rack and altering.
post #501 of 1859
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Quality based on fabric alone is an over-simplification. TCNY have mostly Italian mills to choose from, but the attention to detail and fit will not be as good as Y WIlliam Y (I don't even think Chan is good anymore). Also bespoke operation will be more patient to your need. If you have a chance, please do visit Baroman in Central, I think they are the most orthodox British Bespoke operation in Hong Kong, price might be outside your range. But if you like suits that used to look like in old Hollywood star it is worth to check it out.

add911 - can't remember if i've asked you this before, but why do you say you don't think Chan is good anymore? The reason I ask is because I have ordered several suits from them in the past and was always really happy with them. I then ordered a couple this year and they just don't feel right - I can't quite put my finger on it, but they just don't seem to be cut the same or sit the same as my older suits. I thought it may just have been my experience, and would therefore be interested to hear more about what you have observed.
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I have few friends used Y William Yu, but most of them didn't do repeat order with them, it should tell you something.
I finally gave Baromon a try, their craftmenship is the best in Hong Kong IMHO, but the cut is old fashioned.

here is the pad stitching of my coat:


I'm actually going to commission something with Baroman later this week (given my recent experiences with Chan). Will be interesting to see how they compare to the other HK tailors i've used. Are there any specific cutters/fitters there that you think I should specifically ask for when i'm getting fitted?
post #502 of 1859
Il Sarto most recent pricing (fully canvassed)

2 piece $5200 + 600

3 piece $6950 + 600

No CMT options available.
post #503 of 1859
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I'm actually going to commission something with Baroman later this week (given my recent experiences with Chan). Will be interesting to see how they compare to the other HK tailors i've used. Are there any specific cutters/fitters there that you think I should specifically ask for when i'm getting fitted?

They just have 1 fitter/sales and 1 cutter at house.
They do have difference makers, the coat for me is from the best coatmaker.
You have to wait for about a month or two if you want the best coatmaker to do you coat, and he normally just serve the VIP.

Be sure to tell them every details (I mean every!) you want and ask the sales write it down! Otherwise, you will regret!
post #504 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Fishball View Post

They just have 1 fitter/sales and 1 cutter at house.
They do have difference makers, the coat for me is from the best coatmaker.
You have to wait for about a month or two if you want the best coatmaker to do you coat, and he normally just serve the VIP.

Be sure to tell them every details (I mean every!) you want and ask the sales write it down! Otherwise, you will regret!

Ok, that's useful, thanks. I'll ask them to use their best coatmaker, not sure if they will though!
post #505 of 1859
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Ok, that's useful, thanks. I'll ask them to use their best coatmaker, not sure if they will though!

Sorry Fishball, I'm getting my HK tailors mixed up!! I'm actually trying out A Man Hing Cheong later this week, not Baroman!! But will also consider doing something at Baroman further down the line (depending on how my A Man suit turns out)
post #506 of 1859
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Sorry Fishball, I'm getting my HK tailors mixed up!! I'm actually trying out A Man Hing Cheong later this week, not Baroman!! But will also consider doing something at Baroman further down the line (depending on how my A Man suit turns out)

If you go to A Man, ask for Peter, and tell him you are my friend. He will take care of you.
post #507 of 1859

Thanks again guys! I appreciate the informative answers as I'm still quite new to most of this.

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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

Quality based on fabric alone is an over-simplification. TCNY have mostly Italian mills to choose from, but the attention to detail and fit will not be as good as Y WIlliam Y (I don't even think Chan is good anymore). Also bespoke operation will be more patient to your need. If you have a chance, please do visit Baroman in Central, I think they are the most orthodox British Bespoke operation in Hong Kong, price might be outside your range. But if you like suits that used to look like in old Hollywood star it is worth to check it out.

 

Unfortunately Baroman is definitely outside my price range and is not really the style I'm looking for either.

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Il Sarto most recent pricing (fully canvassed)

2 piece $5200 + 600

3 piece $6950 + 600

No CMT options available.

 

5800HKD (~$750) would definitely be doable if it's worth it. I read that LL Sarto is more Italian style and seems to be mixed reviews around this site.

 

@Dib: I hear you on the $500. It seemed like people were getting some decent suits made in that price range so I thought it was reasonable, but perhaps they are the exceptions. I was hoping to get two new suits made ($1k all in) but if I can get 1 nicer one for 800-900 USD that would work as well. Buying OTR and altering runs in the $1000-1200 + alterations range (my experience so far); wouldn't I be better off spending that on bespoke in HK? I guess my real question is: at what price point and at which tailor in HK does the value become worthwhile over the alternative (i.e. buying OTR locally for $1200 all in) for comparable quality/fit?

post #508 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Fishball View Post

If you go to A Man, ask for Peter, and tell him you are my friend. He will take care of you.

I will do - thanks a lot!
post #509 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Fishball View Post

I have few friends used Y William Yu, but most of them didn't do repeat order with them, it should tell you something.
I finally gave Baromon a try, their craftmenship is the best in Hong Kong IMHO, but the cut is old fashioned.

Best craftsmanship and old fashion cut in Hong Kong..... sounds like the good egg for me.

My best friend has a long customer history with them, they seems to do old british style (think Huntsman, RIchard Anderson), a little bit more shoulder pad, trimmer waist.

I always find his suits looking very good, and the construction seems to be top quality.
Edited by add911_11 - 4/10/13 at 9:16am
post #510 of 1859
Does Baroman accept CMT?

What do they charge these days?

How do you find the finish as compared to WW Chan?
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