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Thanks for the feedback. But do you mean that this havana doesn't fit like your other havanas?Indoor office lighting version of the jacket nostalgiaultra posted a few weeks ago. I went up one size for this Havana and like the fit much better than my others.
I wouldn't worry about that too much since this can be changed by an alterations tailor very easily.
I was about to order this tux when I decided to search the thread for feedback on it. I'm disappointed to see that it has vents, since it has all the other details I wanted. Why oh why can't I find an OTR ventless dinner jacket at this price point?!? I'm quickly running out of options and I need one by September.Hey everyone, I thought I would share my initial thoughts on the classic black tuxedo and get a bit of feedback on the fit. The tuxedo is interesting because it is probably the most recommended item in the SuSu store (at least on forums like this), but it's almost impossible to find any information on what it looks like in the wild. I ordered two - one in my normal size of 36R, one in 34R. I didn't do this because I'm into the tight, cropped look, but because the "product measurements" on the SuSu site are waaay bigger than what I would expect (e.g. 18+ inch shoulders and 30+ inch length on a 36R). Well, I never even tried on the 34R because the site measurements are clearly wrong and the sizing seems within the realm of what I would normally expect for this size. As for the details, it's almost exactly what I wanted - silk grosgrain, big peak lapels, moderately structured shoulders, one button, jetted pockets, etc. I would have preferred a midnight navy, but I'm willing to go without - in my mind, midnight navy sounds good on paper but most examples I see of it are not great (way too blue and conspicuous). Initial thoughts: button stance was not as high as I worried it might be, which is great. Not super low, but certainly lower than my other SuSu things. Fabric is pretty nondescript - black worsted, doesn't feel like anything special, but that's fine. VBC S110s, I think. Grosgrain details look good. Front looks decent. Sleeves need about +1/2". Waist is about right. Jacket length is about right (don't use my arms as a reference, since they're super long). Maybe a bit of extra room in the chest, but I'm not that concerned (if it were bespoke I would just call it "drape").
The back is pretty messy. Some of this is due to the fact that the vents are still sewn closed, but it's still pretty rough. Pants are also still unhemmed, but there are some problems on the back of the legs. Thoughts?
Shoulders fit fairly well, but there's some amount of rippling behind on the sleeve back. Sleeve pitch problems?
Overall, it seems like a fair starting point, especially considering how hard it is to find an inexpensive tux with all the right details. The tux used to be $469, and for that price I would be all for it (and willing to go in for some heavy alterations), but the new price of $569 makes me think a bit more seriously about it. Here's the thing: I can get a MTM suit from a local guy (a guy I have used before and have some confidence in) for about $750-800. I would use the same detailing more or less, but with a midnight navy (if they have a decent one), and would expect the fit to be better. That's more than I would like to spend, but once I start adding up alteration costs for the one above, it becomes a close call. I do like the SuSu one, but it needs some help. And it should go without saying that these pictures are pretty harsh and make it look worse than it would were I moving around or not standing like a robot. Any thoughts are appreciated. Oh, for reference - here's me in a 36R Havana last year (in much nicer lighting).
Why is having a ventless jacket so important? Is it just because it's "correct" or is there a deeper reason? I consider myself a black tie stickler, but I have no interest in a ventless jacket, correct as it may be. It just seems too dated and looks worse most of the time (wrinkles when sitting, moves when you put your hands in your pocket, etc).
I'll have a detailed review on my blog later this week.
No deeper reason. I'm pretty vain. I quite like the end result. I may just end up getting the tux myself. I'll be on the lookout for your blog entry. Oh and I Iove the shot with downtown as the backdrop. I'm a former resident of Glen Park.Why is having a ventless jacket so important? Is it just because it's "correct" or is there a deeper reason? I consider myself a black tie stickler, but I have no interest in a ventless jacket, correct as it may be. It just seems too dated and looks worse most of the time (wrinkles when sitting, moves when you put your hands in your pocket, etc). Anyway, here's that same tux after alterations. I'm quite pleased with it. I'll have a detailed review on my blog later this week.
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