The WAYWT Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by scott.m

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Junya Watanabe
Woolrich Woolen Mills
Thom Browne
Edward Tee
Oliver Spencer
Qlo
Duckie Brown for Florsheim



Just got back from the bar, shotgunning beers with clopek and homi29 all night.

dope. love the contrast added by the socks.

Originally Posted by URALLMORONS

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Ebbetts Field Whalers Cap(No vis) RRL Chamois Rag & Bone Thermal Tanner Goods Belt RRL Officer Chino Yuketen Cerise Maine Guide Boots
Looks good dude. How are the Ebbets Field caps? Considering one for summer

Originally Posted by scott.m

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Junya Watanabe Woolrich Woolen Mills Thom Browne Edward Tee Oliver Spencer Qlo Duckie Brown for Florsheim Just got back from the bar, shotgunning beers with clopek and homi29 all night.
Good too. Like orange socks.

Originally Posted by Uncontrol

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tommy, it looks like you wrote that in blood
My first thought too. Agree or disagree with him, Fuuma improves this thread immensely. Would rather read his arguments against preppy / timeless style than see more poorly shot bad fit pics.

Originally Posted by e0d9n0b5

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Woo swag scott

yo post some fits!!




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n. hoolywood chuck taylors (no vis)

was thinking of selling the intarsia to finance the ccp derbies I just bought since i havent worn it this year at all, but still love how easy it is to wear

Originally Posted by shoreman1782

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Agree or disagree with him, Fuuma improves this thread immensely. Would rather read his arguments against preppy / timeless style than see more poorly shot bad fit pics.

Hear hear. Though I disagree with Fuuma that prep/trad has been creatively exhausted. I think he's right that the genre's overly dependent on color/fabric because of inherent limits on silhouette and broad detailing but I don't think designers have gone far enough with the former. There's still no one that I can think of that has done really rich/deep colored and textured fabric or tech fabric w/ prep/trad - everyone is too hung up on 'heritage' ****. Ervell, Schneider and Geller, at times, probably get closest to what i'm talking about. Pieces here and there from Creep and APC too, but nothing cohesive as a brand or even a season.

Originally Posted by PinkPantser

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Hear hear. Though I disagree with Fuuma that prep/trad has been creatively exhausted. I think he's right that the genre's overly dependent on color/fabric because of inherent limits on silhouette and broad detailing but I don't think designers have gone far enough with the former. There's still no one that I can think of that has done really rich/deep colored and textured fabric or tech fabric w/ prep/trad - everyone is too hung up on 'heritage' ****. Ervell, Schneider and Geller, at times, probably get closest to what i'm talking about. Pieces here and there from Creep and APC too, but nothing cohesive as a brand or even a season.
i like this comment- not that i know anything about prep/trad or wear it but because it's an engagement with the clothing rather than a deployment of quasi-philosophical/artistic discourse. im glad fuuma posts here but a lot of his comments seem unhelpful to me, in the same way that film theory is not generally a helpful way to talk about film.

I think Fuuma has me on ignore but i'm going to make this point anyway. I think Fuuma is a little bit too dismissive in his denigration of prep style. The idea of an aspirational style with "old money" connotations is not nearly as problematic. precisely due to the democratic nature of clothing--it's not just old money date-****** fratty douchebags who wear Polo/Tommy hilfinger, etc, it's anyone with aspirations to a higher socioeconomic standing. For better or for worse, the highest levels of socioeconomic success in american culture are old-money WASPs, and as such, any aspirational style is going to reference them. Of course, my reasoning is heavily influenced by an article about polo and hip hop, but it should be noted that Ralph Lauren was a cultural outsider with apsirational motivations. Of course, the criticism of formalistic limitation can also apply to a lot of Goth-Ninja brands that ignore color completely. In fact, it is precisely color that makes prep style so engaging--people can adopt a color palette based on their specific spin on the prep style (See Andre 3000 vs. GQ Yuppie prep qua officewear vs. TOMMY/BoO brightly colored hipster prep vs. old school Pastel/WASPY prep) I think this whole discussion deserves its own thread IMO

Eh, I think you're being a little simplistic. Fuuma didn't say prep is always bad no matter what. Also, "goth-ninja" utilizes color, the palette is just greatly narrowed and mostly revolves around shades and tones rather than contrast and complimentary colors. I think Fuuma said he doesn't find colorplay a compelling enough argument for the typical strain of prep, which I think is true. I don't find your examples very diverse or interesting, in fact the only one that is compelling at all to me is BOO, and really only some looks. Andre is just too gaudy/hypebeasty to me, everything else is trite, sleep inducing, annoying etc.

EDIT: I agree with what PP said earlier though, a more sophisticated trad/prep thing that really works with color and texture in a strong way would be nice to see. But then again anything strong/sophisticated would be nice to see. lol

Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty

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it's anyone with aspirations to a higher socioeconomic standing. For better or for worse, the highest levels of socioeconomic success in american culture are old-money WASPs, and as such, any aspirational style is going to reference them.



Forget this anthropologist BS. Ignore the 'science' for a sec and the foregone conclusion that aspirational people can't help but dress 'aspirationally'. How much more interesting would society look if we outlawed parroting entrenched wealth? (not that I do this all that well myself, but I also don't defend mediocrity on the grounds that people can't help themselves)

We're enthusiasts of appearance, I would hope the least that we do is to imagine the aesthetic world the way we want to see it and then celebrate anything that gets us closer to that. If all you can imagine is celebrity style or pure 'heritage', god help you.

Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace

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Eh, I think you're being a little simplistic. Fuuma didn't say prep is always bad no matter what. Also, "goth-ninja" utilizes color, the palette is just greatly narrowed and mostly revolves around shades and tones rather than contrast and complimentary colors.

thank you, hate this stupid ignorance

Listen. you can dress up in ann d and spout postmodernist queer theory all you want but people are still going to look to reference established hierarchies as a barometer of their social standing. The idea that aspirationalism isn't a legitimate motivatior for a style of dress is absurd. In fact, it taps into the same bullshit about the "soul" or whatever SZ people like to talk about, except it's more real. Prep and Heritage clothing are both reifications of concepts that resonate with large numbers of people, hence their popularity. Just because a person doesn't want to look like a Fremen/post-apocalptic survivor/neo-bohemian doesn't mean they can't engage in the "reified idea" aspect of fashion. Just because some losers like chino guy are "style not fashion" morons, that doesn't mean that all people who like heritage are 'doing it wrong'. Just in the same way that fratty douchebags like prep doesn't mean that prep is an illegitimate style. Put another way, if fashion is dungeons and dragons, that's like saying you can only be a magic using class and all other classes are worthless.

Yo man I seriously don't know what you're trying to say. But I think you've misinterpreted what PP wrote. Also lol at constant non-sequitur passive-agressive mention of postmodern writing, would you F***ers just stop.

All i'm saying is that prep is a reified aspirational style and it isn't an illegitimate thing to want to dress like, and to dismiss aspirationalism reeks of both elitism and privilege.

Originally Posted by nicelynice

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Very nice, I need to get myself a rick leather.

Originally Posted by mellowfellow

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Looks good. I'm surprised that cropped pants don't make you look super short. The fit is very flattering.

Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty

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Put another way, if fashion is dungeons and dragons, that's like saying you can only be a magic using class and all other classes are worthless.
Huh?

i didn't actually read all fuuma's comments so i'm going by what's written on this page but it seems absurd to say that his own mode of presentation is not aspirational- just in what appears to me an haute-hipster/boho, des esseintes-referencing sz type of way.
so its better to be part of a priviliged elite aspiring to a particular internally-sanctioned set of codes. hmmm

Originally Posted by jet

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happy birthday big mok
Cheers.

Originally Posted by cowsareforeating

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@mok yes on the scarf, looks good with them shoes
Thanks - still not sure about the overall colour combination.

Originally Posted by robinsongreen68

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MOK, happy birthday mate. scarf looks good, so do you for 4 decades...

Cheers - I think I'm one of the few pre-decimal posters on here

Originally Posted by Greylabel

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The scarf really ties together that fit MoK. Without it, nothing really stood out. So... Yes Yes Yes!
Thanks.

Originally Posted by PinkPantser

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weekend lifestyle pic

ymc, jcrew, levis, alden
I like this. It's simple, but fits well and works.

Originally Posted by NOBD

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Congratulations, MoK! Well done.

How does it feel? Can you still walk, read, smile, live in general?

Less than three months to go for me...
Thanks. It wasn't too traumatic

Originally Posted by kgmessier

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The Big Four-Oh today? Happy Birthday! Got mine coming up in four months.

Love them shoes. The shirt's color pops, as does the scarf; everything else is somewhat muted. I wonder if the shirt and scarf together are taking up too much of center stage.
Thanks - I don't think the dull weather helped - the (admittedly muted) greens of the jacket contrast slightly more with the trousers in better lighting, and the shirt probably pops less.

Originally Posted by steveoffice

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Happy birthday big guy, you've aged well. And +1 on the scarf.
Thanks

Originally Posted by jhe0417

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Happy birthday, MoK. Looks really great.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Russ24

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Lots of action tonight. Im going to interrupt with a noob fit- don't kill me... Ive posted 2 others and havent gotten ripped apart yet, haha. This is no where near what some of you are rocking... but Im trying. I guess its a poor man's take on Synthese's fit a couple pages back. Ha. Constructive crits would be great...
(Apologies for the iPhone pics, dont have a legit camera- grad school money is tight.)

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Deets on the boots:

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Solid from what I can see from the photos.

Originally Posted by snake

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A few pics from the weekend.



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Bit of an extreme way to keep your beer cool

Originally Posted by nicelynice

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yo post some fits!!

rick
aa
rick
lanvin
n. hoolywood chuck taylors (no vis)

was thinking of selling the intarsia to finance the ccp derbies I just bought since i havent worn it this year at all, but still love how easy it is to wear
Lacks sme of the visual interest some of your fits have, but it's a solid fit.

Originally Posted by mellowfellow

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thanks guys, pants is by +j.

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Looks good, although I think you need a bit more of a gap between the top of the shoes and the start of the pants if you're going for the cropped look or less of a gap if you weren't.

Originally Posted by APK

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Good thing you didn't have the right side of the cardigan pulled in any more or I would have thought you were flashing us. Solid fit, though, faux dick flash aside.

+1

Originally Posted by ethanlee29

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W+H
APC
Diemme