Suit without tie guidelines?

Imhoff · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

It's funny how suave and stylish Brad Pitt is supposed to look in this movie, but to anybody with even a hint of what to look for knows that his suit looks like a god @#!*% train wreck. It's sad how the majority of the population will see nothing wrong with his outfit.

Indeed it is sad. Worst part is when they start emulating it and think it is cool. Was in Vegas and saw many men sporting this look. One even made a snarky comment to me because I was sporting a tie bar... I shook my head. His lady friend didn't seem to mind my looks tho.

Jan_ · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

It's sad how the majority of the population will see nothing wrong with his outfit.

I'd be really interested in whether people don't see (or better feel) the difference between a correct and a wrong outfit. I guess if we show them both, they would say the correct one looks better, but they can't say why. That's the same with so many things were an amateur vs. a professional produced something, say a layout: the professionally crafted one looks better to most people, but they don't know why. (Maybe I should just run such a test...)

Metlin · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

No. Like everyone else has said, if you have a shirt made for this purpose (and a great, stiff collar truly is necessary), this looks absolutely fine to me. http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/up...uit-no-tie.jpg
Fixed that for ya. Almost "everyone" also thinks that black suits are acceptable attires and Kenneth Cole platypus shoes are "dress" shoes. That doesn't make them right. Orsini was just quoting the rules as they exist, nothing more. Wasn't it Manton who said that you've to know the rules to break them?

GoldenTribe · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

It's funny how suave and stylish Brad Pitt is supposed to look in this movie, but to anybody with even a hint of what to look for knows that his suit looks like a god damn train wreck. It's sad how the majority of the population will see nothing wrong with his outfit.
His suit isn't a "god damn train wreck" even if you don't consider that Ocean's Eleven would have been filming roughly eleven years ago now. EDIT: sorry, for some reason even though I read this post three times I saw "George Clooney" all three times, though you clearly wrote "Brad Pitt" (who does, I agree, look pretty bad)

thebarsmydestination · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by GoldenTribe

You're trying too hard, dearest.

His suit isn't a "god damn train wreck" even if you don't consider that Ocean's Eleven would have been filming roughly eleven years ago now.

I dunno, I think his sleeves look-- not only too long but too wide.

It's also hard to tell but I feel like his jacket, if buttoned, would be a little too big. Maybe the shoulders are also too big?

Imhoff · Feb 12, 2011

The suit jacket on Pitt is way too large. Like he is wearing Dads' suit. It also appears to be a one button suit, if the case, looks to have a lot of length on the bottom of the jacket. At least his collar size matches his suit lapel size....

GBR · Feb 12, 2011

Single breasted suit looks fine - double less so.

spitfirees20 · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by Orsini

I didn't say it didn't.

And I don't care what everyone said.

I guess you didn't say "you can't". That's true; I apologize.

Orsini · Feb 12, 2011

Originally Posted by spitfirees20

I guess you didn't say "you can't". That's true; I apologize.
I assure you, no apology is necessary. I have to remain in character, you know... By the way, a specially made shirt to avoid that nasty roll-under sounds like a good idea!

thinman · Feb 12, 2011

You really don't need to overthink this; as Ianiceman wrote, Clooney is the master, so find a few pictures and copy him. It's a casual look that breaks the rules.

I actually did it yesterday: I wore a charcoal gray 2-button suit with side vents, unbuttoned and a blue/gray mini-paisley shirt with a hidden buttondown collar. I wore a pocket square with navy/black/white larger paisley pattern, black double monkstraps and got multiple compliments. I think the key was keeping things almost tonal, so it wasn't too loud. Sorry I don't have pics to post.

RangerP · Feb 12, 2011

I don't mind the unbuttoned shirt...although I do prefer is the shirt is not a solid white. Seems like too much of a collision between formal and informal if you do it with a white shirt.

My opinion of course.

Gus · Feb 12, 2011

Without a tie the look and scale of the collar is even more of a focal point so be sure to have the right height and collar shape that flatters the shape of your head. I think most guys look best in a spread collar that is somewhat high but not too tall.

Bentley · Feb 12, 2011

Would a button-down collar work with this look and simultaneously serve the purpose of keeping the collar inside the jacket?

TimelesStyle · Feb 12, 2011

I'll add my personal rules for this:

-Two button suit, not three or DB
-Flat-front trousers only
-Echoing the high, stiff collar (can sub button-down collar with hidden buttons/snaps)
-Lower rise trousers, sitting above the hip but below the natural waist
-If you typically wear braces, don't
-No undershirt showing, this means v-neck/beater only, and if the shirt is white, none at all
-Build the outfit from the ground up, don't start with a favorite and just remove the tie

Felix Krull · Feb 13, 2011

With all due respect to Mr. Brosnan, this look is for pimps and gigolos. Unless you're as cool as this guy:

Uploaded with ImageShack.us then the tie-less look is not for you!

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